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Re: Trade 1 of the Sedins?

Postby Farhan Lalji on Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:31 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
Farhan Lalji wrote:Twins for Weber/Suter.

Canucks would then be set at center, goaltending, and on 'D' for years to come. Kesler-Hodgson-Weber-Suter-either Schneider or Luongo.

But again - it will never happen. I would also like to point out that despite the Canucks' recent "slide", we are still 7-2-1. Championship calibre teams find ways to win even when they aren't playing particularly well. Canucks may not be playing their best hockey right now, but they have earned the right to have the benefit of the doubt.....as long as they keep on winning.


I think people around Vancouver have got a little spoiled. Henrik and Daniel Sedin are two of the best hockey players in the world. They are as consistent as anyone, and you'd have to say we have two of the top-10 players in the game. Factor in their contracts and you'd be a certifiable nut-job to consider moving them. The Sedins at $6M (instead of $7.5) allow you to have David Booth at $4. Just like Burrows at $2M (instead of $4M) allows you to have Higgins at $1.9M. Suter and Weber are going to cash in at around $14-$15M for the pair. That's too much to keep a competitive BALANCED team around them. Nashville can do it, but imo they will be the same team they are now, and will be hard-pressed to move into the true "consistent contender" class that the Canucks are currently in.

Crosby, maybe Ovechkin when he wants to be, Stamkos, Malkin if he's healthy, Giroux is getting there. The Sedins are in the discussion with all these players. These are all players you just don't trade. Superstars.

Booth-Kesler-Burrows
Raymond-Hodgson-Higgins
Hansen-Lapierre-Bitz
Weise-Malhotra-Ebbett

I'm sorry but that forward group doesn't do it for me at all.


Yo Island Knuck,

That's a little unfair for you to leave out the first part of my quote and misconstrue my post. I also don't want to trade the twins. All I was saying was that IF these thoughts are being entertained at some point after this season, then you can atleast think about it. Lets face it - the twins aren't getting any younger while guys like Weber and Suter are just entering their prime years. The twins are world class superstars as you mentioned, but in a hypothetical team consisting of Kesler, Hodgson, Weber, Suter, and either Schneider or Luongo, this team would be set in ALL of the important positions for years to come.

Anyway - the first part of my quote is below.

If you trade the twins, you'd have to package them off.

I wouldn't trade the twins at all.

The ONLY way I would consider trading the twins, was if the Canucks didn't win the cup this year......AND we could get both Shea Weber and Ryan Suter from Nashville.
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Re: Trade 1 of the Sedins?

Postby Mondi on Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:51 pm

Sedins are Art Ross/Hart Caliber players, Suter and Weber never will be.

Suter and Weber are more like Naslund and Bertuzzi, two excellent players. But not superstars.
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Re: Trade 1 of the Sedins?

Postby Potatoe1 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:03 pm

Mondi wrote:I don't think the Twins need to learn to play without each other. They've never been given the opportunity, I'm sure if it was given they'd succeed.

Case in point, Henrik's tear in 2009/2010 when Daniel was injured.


It wasn't much of a tear, Hank was around a PPG when Daniel was out and well above once Daniel Came back.

That said "learn no play" is the wrong way to say it, obviously 2 world class players are going to be effective with whom ever they are paired with.

What I should have said was that the Canucks as a team should use the next 30 games as an opportunity to become comfortable using Hank and Dank on different lines.

That comfort level would IMO allow them a lot more flexibility in the playoffs against teams who have had success containing them at even strength.
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Re: Trade 1 of the Sedins?

Postby Jovocop on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:07 pm

Mondi wrote:Sedins are Art Ross/Hart Caliber players, Suter and Weber never will be.

Suter and Weber are more like Naslund and Bertuzzi, two excellent players. But not superstars.


However, the Sedins could turn Suter and Weber into Niedermayer and Pronger, just ask Ehrhoff. :D
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Re: Trade 1 of the Sedins?

Postby Meds on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:23 pm

Yeah, this must have been a Farhan sock thread.....

His proposals and ideas are that far off in left field most of the time anyways, and I'm betting he knew just how dumb this one was and decided to see what kind of conversation he could drum up so he could give his opinions without seeming like a total crackpot.

No offence Farhan...
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Re: Trade 1 of the Sedins?

Postby Cornuck on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:30 pm

Meds wrote:Yeah, this must have been a Farhan sock thread.....


Unless Farhan is in Viet Nam, this isn't his thread...
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Re: Trade 1 of the Sedins?

Postby Meds on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:36 pm

Cornuck wrote:
Meds wrote:Yeah, this must have been a Farhan sock thread.....


Unless Farhan is in Viet Nam, this isn't his thread...


Meh.....he musta port-forwarded or something. :P
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Re: Trade 1 of the Sedins?

Postby nuckster on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:39 pm

Well, interestingly enough, I was thinking about this yesterday, only, I WOULD trade them both for the right set of players. Don't get me wrong, I think we're truly fortunate, if not blessed, to have the Sedins. They're amazing to watch at times, and they're very decent/solid human beings. Thing is, I'm not confident about their ability to bring home the stanley cup. We were so frikin close...one game away last summer, and i didn't see the jam/moxy to take us the extra step. Oh I know, people will shit all over me now for saying as much, but really, I would love to see MG pull the trigger on a major trade if it was there for the Sedins... do i think it will ever happen? Probably not. I'm not even sure if I would even know how to guage what would be a fair or decent trade involving them. But ya know, stranger things have happened.
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Re: Trade 1 of the Sedins?

Postby Listercat on Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:58 pm

WHen will people understand that it takes more than talent or grit to win a Cup? I also takes some luck. By luck I mean key players staying healthy throughout a grueling set of playoff series of potentially 28 games.I reality this is almost a half season especially when you factor in the heightened intesity, fewer breaks if the series run longer and travel.

The Canucks had the talent last year and they do again this year. Provided The Sedins, Kesler, Burrows and the top 5 D men stay healthy they have as good a chance as anyone.
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Re: Trade 1 of the Sedins?

Postby Tiger on Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:00 pm

Potatoe1 said:

What I should have said was that the Canucks as a team should use the next 30 games as an opportunity to become comfortable using Hank and Dank on different lines.

That comfort level would IMO allow them a lot more flexibility in the playoffs against teams who have had success containing them at even strength.


Agree completely and believe that although they are more effective playing together against most teams they could be more of an asset to team play if they get to play on different lines . It would give the Canucks very hard to defend against and give both of the twins a lot more "protection" against tough, skilled physical defenders ( think Bolland , Marchand )..
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Re: Trade 1 of the Sedins?

Postby Tiger on Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:12 pm

Hockeylover44 wrote:I might sound crazy but as of right now, I don't think the Canucks can win the cup. Anyone think we should trade one of the Sedins and build for our future with some good prospects and another top 6 forward?


Welcome to the board.. Maybe its the tropical sun that makes us have crazy inspirations ? Understand your in Nam? ( I am in thailand ) :) My fantasy trade last week was .. the twins plus raymond for Getzlaf, Ryan and Perry ... lol.. After watching AV finally splitting the twins up I threw that idea in the garbage can .. If you get to Bangkok drop in to the Pelican Inn... the local hockey hotbed ..
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Re: Trade 1 of the Sedins?

Postby mr perfect on Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:44 am

Yeah, right. Such true Canucks fans wanting to tear the team apart and rebuild already because the team didn't win game seven of the Stanley Cup last season. Trade the Sedins and rebuild even though Vancouver is currently third overall in the NHL standings. I guess inbreeding is more prevalent than I thought.

I see you've been smoking that Thai stick again Tiger, what with you call those gutless pukes Bolland and Marchand tough. So being able to throw a slew foot makes a guy tough, does it? Where have you been since I called out you and that asshole Trouble after Raymond got hurt on a dirty play in the SCF? You and Hockeylover44 make a good pair since neither one of you are Canucks fans, you're just trolls masquerading as Canucks fans on a Canucks site.
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Re: Trade 1 of the Sedins?

Postby Madcombinepilot on Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:28 am

have we had enough fun yet being stupid?

lets stop feeding the trolls.
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Re: Trade 1 of the Sedins?

Postby mathonwy on Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:24 pm

If you trade 1 Sedin, then all of the haters that

- Refer to them as sisters can't anymore
- invested in the shirts that say 2 girls, No cup will have an obsolete shirt.

That's pretty selfish if you ask me.
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Re: Trade 1 of the Sedins?

Postby Hockeylover44 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:54 am

After losing to the Flames which I think have a great shot at making the playoffs, I think we should trade Schnieder because his stock is at an all time high and get some better forwards.
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