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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby Topper » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:45 am

A few comments;

First Star, without a question of doubt, Ryan Kesler. In a game dominated by special teams play, the special teams leader dominated. Five on five, he proved once again why he has a Selke in his closet. The last time we saw a similar performance was the against Detroit (a better, more entertaining game in my opinion).

Vancouver's PK was as much a deciding point in the game as their PP.

The scrum - Burr taps a Bruin on the ankles with his stick at the Bruin gate, Thornton and Burr get sticks up in each others faces in retaliation, Thornton looses his cool and the melee ensues.

    The league cancel of the Lucic game misconduct is because Milan entered the ice over the boards (I have yet to see a camera angle that does or does not show it) before he headed to the gate for the one foot on one foot off camera shot. He was on the ice when the brouhaha began. The guy who could have been tossed was Lapierre. He came on the ice and was engaged in the scrum before Henrik left the ice.

    Weise claims he asked and was surprised when Horton said yes. Credit to both for the sheer endurance of that match.

    The only guy Vancouver had on the ice who can handle himself in a fight was KB3, and he was smart enough to standby with Chara and watch the show.

    Officials got the minor penalties right.

Five on five, while the Bruin's controlled much of the play, Vancouver played a smart road game keeping them to the outside and limiting chances.

Nice shot by the rookie, even better pass by Hamhuis for what turned out to be the winner.Haven't seen a shot like that since Jannik Hansen vs the Preds in late November. Stu Hackell at SI recently wrote an article saying the slapper down the wing was a play eliminated from today's NHL except in rare incidences of odd man rushes and fast PP transitions.

    I am impressed that the coaching staff has identified and worked with Cody to correct some the weakness's in his game. We haven't seen much minor league dipsy doodle since Foligno nearly took his head off.

    He has, as I pointed his need to do so, simplified his game. His shot past Tony Lydman and his most recent goal are testaments to that simplification.

    In his home town, with his grade schoolmarm in attendance (Question-has S_C seen a harder piece of wood since the night Trev took him by the hand?) Silent 3 finally discovered the boards. Ironically, the game before in Ottawa, he attempted a hit along the boards, in front of an ice level camera, the contact had all the force of a 16 year old boy kissing his Grand Mother on the lips.

    He still, as AV said in a recent interview on CDC video, plays sheltered minutes and often finds himself lost defensively or is caught leaving the zone early (Iggie bad habits, sans the talent). He is vulnerable on the road where AV does not have the last change and on the recent California road trip there were several attempt to exploit the matchup.

Congrats to Cory on stellar performance and more so for honestly earning the opportunity to start that game. I am still not certain on who I would have started, I get that Cory earned it and all the homecoming sentiments, but this is also a match up where No.1 plays because he is No.1. That said, I would not have been surprised, had Boston started Rask. Both teams enjoy stellar goaltending tandem with probable edge to Thomas over Luongo.

Marchand, I'd love to have this guy on my team, because I think he's young enough to clean up his act. Yes the hit was low and ugly. Deciding factors on suspension will come down to point of contact and the turn from Salo. You can not lower your body to make that hit. He he connected with his hip, he did not lower his body, and that will be in his favour. If he connected with his upper body, he then lowered himself to submarine Salo. The other factor is, did Salo turn immediately prior to contact? We'll wait for Ken Holland's decision.

Good read this week that relates to that game and Burke's remorse, Dryden's Fight vs Fighting article in the Globe.

Edit - Manny - Still one of the best faceoff men in the league and the luxury of he and Kesler on the ice for important defensive zone faceoffs can not be underestimated. the transition of Manny the centre to Manny the winger after a faceoff is never smooth. It was awefull with Cody and is better with Lappy, but still a problem.

If deemed needed, another tough guy who can eat 8-10 minutes a night without being too much of an embarrassment - Brandon Prust. Would the Rgs part with him though?
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby Potatoe1 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:24 pm

Topper wrote:Nice shot by the rookie, even better pass by Hamhuis for what turned out to be the winner.


Uhh, not really, the shot was the impressive part of that play.

Cody beat the best goalie in the game cold. He has made that same play 3 times in 42 game, twice on Howard and once on Thomas.

He quite clearly has an eliet shot so credit where it's due.

(I know that's quite painful for you given your absurd history on this topic)


I am impressed that the coaching staff has identified and worked with Cody to correct some the weakness's in his game.


So I guess you were wrong then when you went on and on over how he should be sent down to learn in the AHL?


We haven't seen much minor league dipsy doodle since Foligno nearly took his head off.


We never saw very much of the "dipsy doodle" to begin with, this was just some nonsense made up by you.

Sure he held the puck too long on the Foligno hit, but for every play like that there have been several hundred others where he moved the puck quickly and efficiently.

His game is actually extremely efficient for a rookie, especially one with the type of pedigree he has.



In his home town, with his grade schoolmarm in attendance (Question-has S_C seen a harder piece of wood since the night Trev took him by the hand?) Silent 3 finally discovered the boards. Ironically, the game before in Ottawa, he attempted a hit along the boards, in front of an ice level camera, the contact had all the force of a 16 year old boy kissing his Grand Mother on the lips.


So now he doesnt hit hard enough, is that going to be your new angle to try and discredit this play. I know it's dificult if not impossible to find stuff at this point but hey the hole is already about 50 feet deep so you may as well keep digging.

That said I'm sure even you will admit to being completely and utterly wrong when you said we should trade this player in the off season before the rest of the league realizes how terrible he is.


He still, as AV said in a recent interview on CDC video, plays sheltered minutes and often finds himself lost defensively or is caught leaving the zone early (Iggie bad habits, sans the talent). He is vulnerable on the road where AV does not have the last change and on the recent California road trip there were several attempt to exploit the matchup.


His defensive game is fine when compared to top9 forward around the league. Obviously the Canucks have a higher standard, but Cody hardly requires "sheltering".

Of course Manny, Lappy, and Kesler are going to take the tougher defensive assignments but that because they are probably the best defensive trio in the league and it has very little with where Cody's game is at.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby Meds » Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:11 pm

Potatoe1 wrote:
Topper wrote:Nice shot by the rookie, even better pass by Hamhuis for what turned out to be the winner.


Cody beat the best goalie in the game cold. He has made that same play 3 times in 42 game, twice on Howard and once on Thomas.

He quite clearly has an eliet shot so credit where it's due.


I wouldn't go quite that far Pot. I will say he has the makings of having an elite shot, but it's not there yet. A player with an elite shot does that closer to 10 times in 42 games. His accuracy does appear to already be in the top 15-20% of the NHL, but the shot power isn't quite there yet.

Only time will tell, but from watching the last 10 games I'd say Hodgson is starting to turn into the first round pick we all hoped he would be. It is really tough to tell when he is playing behind two of the NHL's top 15 centers, but that kind of mentorship can only benefit Hodgson in the long run.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby ukcanuck » Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:35 pm

sniff sniff :scowl: it smell like fresh turds, so Claude Julien must be speaking again...

Hypocrisy is when a Coach tries to explain away the conduct of his player by trying to defame an innocent victim and then turns around and complains about a non existent throat slash. The bastard knows full well what a slash is, he sees them on a nightly basis from his own players. The same thing with their GM, whining about playing the media to influence opinions, nice job Chiarelli ya hypocrite, way to demonstrate what you mean...
The real shame in this whole thing is that people actually believe what they read and hear in the media and for some reason, our own Eastern Canadian media seems to be in love with original six teams and they play right into it...
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby Potatoe1 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:37 pm

Meds wrote:I wouldn't go quite that far Pot. I will say he has the makings of having an elite shot, but it's not there yet. A player with an elite shot does that closer to 10 times in 42 games. His accuracy does appear to already be in the top 15-20% of the NHL, but the shot power isn't quite there yet.



No they don't.

You rarely see a player blow one by a goalie from that spot anymore, no one does it 20+ times a year.

Even doing it 3 times in 42 is amazing and frankly totally unsustainable on Hodgsons end.

As far as "eliet" goes, it depends on how you define it. I cant speak to your definition but that slapper in stride that he does is very hard, very accurate, and he gets it away extremely fast.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby griz » Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:27 pm

Good on you for throwing Cody a bone Topper. That really was quite a shot wasn't it?

I disagree with you on Marchand though. I wouldn't want that fucking weasel on my team. Self defense? BS.

Have you guys been listening to the comments between the coaches? Some heated stuff. Alain being called hypocritical. As though other player's acts can justify Marchand's. More BS.

I still don't understand how Burrows soft ankle tap justifies all the crap he gets. How he can be called a dirty player is beyond me. Even more BS. A spear they call it? That was a tap and so it's okay to fly through the air with a super man punch in reaction?

Thornton should get a suspension for looking like an idiot.

I must admit though ... in a sea of Canuck Hate ... the Boston Hate is growing larger and larger ... there's been more support for the Canucks than I've seen in a long time.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby Potatoe1 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:37 pm

griz wrote:I still don't understand how Burrows soft ankle tap justifies all the crap he gets. How he can be called a dirty player is beyond me. Even more BS. A spear they call it? That was a tap and so it's okay to fly through the air with a super man punch in reaction?



Kind of amusing that Burrows has one of the worst reps in the league but has never been suspended.

Marchant on the other hand hasn't been in the league for 2 seasons and has 2 suspensions and a fine.

The Canucks as a group have played over 160 games in the past year and a half, and have 2 suspensions total (both BS IMO).

Anyway 5 games for Marchant, I just hope he clearly explains the difference between this cheap shot and a traditional hip check.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby RoyalDude » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:23 pm

Listercat wrote::P Dude, now you are changing your tune!

First it was Manny didn't stay with his check. Now its he lost the draw! Make up your mind FFS.

If KB or Hammer pick up Krecji he doesn't get a whiff of that puck. BTW look at a lot of the faceoffs in that game. The B's bend the face off interference rule to the breaking point. Seems to be a systemic thing.

If you want to give a player horns how about Alex Edler. Gave the puck away on the Peverley goal. Gave the puck away on a cute drop pass that resulted in a penalty shot. Cory saved his ass big time on that. Gave the puck away and took a penalty when he had lots of time to put it off the boards and out. This is a guy with huge potential but for the past month his head has been in the stratosphere. His +- is lower than KB3 and Hammer and they play against the other teams top players. When KB3 had a +- arounf -10 everyone was screaming about "casual Kev". Is there a different rating system for AE? Alex' defensive play has been brutal, he's not hitting and he is making some really bad decisions with the puck.


Listen Listerine and listen good. You started this post with this 'First it was Manny didn't stay with his check. Now its he lost the draw! Make up your mind FFS.' Please, do yourself a massive favor and go back and read my first post regarding the Manny fiasco on the Bruin's 3rd goal. The first thing I brought up were the face-offs, you should notice this early on in the post if you do your homework in which quite obviously for the whole wide world to see, that you don't. I said that I was wrong regarding his checking assignment, I made the proper revisions and adjustments but you continually side-step the issue regarding Manny losing two key faces off in a row, in which resulted in Krecji scoring, the man he lost those two face-offs to (salt to the wound). Anyhow, my whole point is, Manny is highly overrated when it comes to face-offs, plain and simple. This is suppose to be his bread and butter, he is our secret weapon in the face-off circle (apparently) so when it came to crunch time, ol Manuel there folded like a cheap tent.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby RoyalDude » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:29 pm

Listercat wrote: The B's bend the face off interference rule to the breaking point. Seems to be a systemic thing.



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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby Listercat » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:36 pm

Ya Dude I know what you wrote I did go to school !! Obviously, you have trouble with comprehension and you resort to other tactics.

So Manny lost the draw, twice. I got that. With regard to checking responsibilities you did not "revise" anything. What you said was you still didn't think it should all be on Hammer. Incidently I didn't say it was all Hammer's fault. What I said was neither he nor Bieksa picked up Krecji. You say I have reading problems?? If either of them picked up their assignment ( Krecji) we would not be having this discussion.

Cornuck, Pot and myself have all tried to explain to you that Manny is still in the top 5 in the league in FO% but according to you he's overrated and should be gotten rid of. No one wins every draw but Manny is consistently near the top of the league and he rarely gets to take offensive zone faceoffs. Do you remember how bad our PK was with Ryan Johnson and how much it improved since Manny came?

I know , I know, I must not confuse fact with your sense of reality.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby Strangelove » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:03 am

Topper wrote:The league cancel of the Lucic was on the ice when the brouhaha began. The guy who could have been tossed was Lapierre. He came on the ice and was engaged in the scrum before Henrik left the ice.


Perhaps but, counting the players, someone also came on for Lucic.

And Lucic remained (or came back onto) the ice.

Not saying anyone should be or not-be suspended cuz I don't know, just sayin....

Topper wrote:Nice shot by the rookie, even better pass by Hamhuis for what turned out to be the winner.Haven't seen a shot like that since Jannik Hansen vs the Preds in late November. Stu Hackell at SI recently wrote an article saying the slapper down the wing was a play eliminated from today's NHL except in rare incidences of odd man rushes and fast PP transitions.

I am impressed that the coaching staff has identified and worked with Cody to correct some the weakness's in his game. We haven't seen much minor league dipsy doodle since Foligno nearly took his head off.

He has, as I pointed his need to do so, simplified his game. His shot past Tony Lydman and his most recent goal are testaments to that simplification.

In his home town, with his grade schoolmarm in attendance (Question-has S_C seen a harder piece of wood since the night Trev took him by the hand?) Silent 3 finally discovered the boards. Ironically, the game before in Ottawa, he attempted a hit along the boards, in front of an ice level camera, the contact had all the force of a 16 year old boy kissing his Grand Mother on the lips.

He still, as AV said in a recent interview on CDC video, plays sheltered minutes and often finds himself lost defensively or is caught leaving the zone early (Iggie bad habits, sans the talent). He is vulnerable on the road where AV does not have the last change and on the recent California road trip there were several attempt to exploit the matchup.


Yep Hodgson has a way to go and I as well am pleasantly surprised (like most folks here) with his progress this year.

Topper wrote:Marchand, I'd love to have this guy on my team, because I think he's young enough to clean up his act.


Okay y'lost me on that one big guy. :lol:

Aren't your Vancouver Canucks hated enough already??


Topper wrote:Good read this week that relates to that game and Burke's remorse


Yep, Marchand is Burkie's prototypical "rat".

Topper wrote:If deemed needed, another tough guy who can eat 8-10 minutes a night without being too much of an embarrassment - Brandon Prust. Would the Rgs part with him though?


The Great Strangelove has deemed more toughness needed. :thumbs:
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby ukcanuck » Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:51 am

Colour me satisfied that Marchand got 5 games from Marshal Shanahan, I was beginning to smell a rat when it came to dealing with the Bruins antics. The list of grievances that one could author going back to the Eastern Final and up to Saturday afternoon could be Conspicuously long. How does the Bruins play a penalty free game seven against Tampa? How does Marchand get to rag doll Sedin in front of the ref repeatedly, how does Thomas spear slash and hack with impunity for game after game including on Saturday when he stabs Malhotra who was in his crease but pushed there? How does Lucic run Miller needlessly with no supplementary punishment from the NHL?

None of these questions were answered by Marchands suspension, but at least its not one that gets added to the list. Hopefully Marchand little rat testicles have been neutered now in any games against the Canucks if he tries to slew foot or submarine a guy he will be gone and that forces him to play his skill game which is what everyone wants to see anyway..
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby Per » Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:17 am

ukcanuck wrote:Colour me satisfied that Marchand got 5 games from Marshal Shanahan

Well, I'm torn.

I hate the guy, but I have him on my fantasy team.... :?
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