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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby Jovocop » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:34 pm

mathonwy wrote:We won the battle but lost the war.

Imagine if this was game 1 of the SCF. We lose both Salo AND Ebbett? Big deal, we won one game and proceeded to lose a top 4 defenseman and a 4th line plug (that was actually playing quite well).

The playoffs are a war of attrition and I don't think we don't have the genetics to compete.

Sure the Nucks could have beat the B's in a 7 game series if everyone was healthy. The reality is, the Nucks will NEVER be 100% healthy in the SC final based on the physical make up of the team. How close to 100% healthy we'll be is based on luck and based on how physically durable our players are. History shows, our team wears down.


If the league allows slashing, cross-checking, punching, whacking and hacking in the playoffs without calling penalties, the Canucks will always be in tough. How many of the Canucks injuries in the last playoffs were by-products of cheap shots from the Sharks and Bruins?? During the Sharks series, at least the Canucks were healthy enough to put the Sharks away with the powerplays. However, once the Canucks reached the SCF, the key players were badly injured. Having one or two big tough guys might help but I highly doubted the injuries would have prevented. Unless the zebras have the balls to call all the cheapshots after whistles or Shanahan starts suspending dirty players, the result would be pretty much the same. :evil:
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby Jovocop » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:37 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote:
Jovocop wrote:Unfortunately, like you just said, Thornton will not fight Orr... because he is simply a coward. Same could be said about Lucic. He will pick guys like Kesler and Burrows to beat up but refuses to fight someone his own size.

Gotta argue with you on this. Thornton is a true heavyweight. I cant find any youtube fights where Orr does anything more than tie a fight with Shawn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubMIUMa6Cx0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3omW3VrcANg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMaqy-nPZzE

Even Lucic stood in against Orr. He got a broken shnoz from it ya but hes not all pussy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzecGFw2M_o


Yeah, I am sure that he is not a pussy cuz he is good at beating up his girlfriend... 8-)
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby Benjo » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:40 pm

The B's scheduled the game early to try and throw off the Canucks so they can't use the tired excuse. Also they basically coasted through the Calgary game and still won.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby dhabums » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:49 pm

tantalum wrote:TIM Gleason, TIM Jackman and dare I say TIM Hunter!

Sure Hunter is old and all but if anyone can go nose to nose with Marchand it would be him.



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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:59 pm

wienerdog wrote:
5) Malhotra. The man may not be full value on his $2.5M contract post-injury, but he is still a huge part of this team's defense. His play has been steadily improving, and I remember AV or MG saying conditioning was an issue due to the fact he couldn't work out due to pressure in the eyeball. He's making strides.

For anyone who expects more than just un-flashy defensive play from MM, you're not going to get it. He's terrible offensively (remember the bitching about our third line this time last season?) and he's clumsy with the puck. Me, I don't care. I care what he does without the puck and when the opposition has it. He's our key faceoff guy and is the heart of our PK.

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Just curious wienerdog, what your thoughts were on Boston's 3rd goal and why it happened, cause nobody seems to want to talk about this, or I think what it is, is that when Malhotra fucks up royally, people turn a blind eye like the parents of a psychotic out of control child, do. Kind of like brushing it quietly under the carpet hoping nobody notices.

Let me remind, draw you up the scenario the best that I can from memory, Daniel Sedin was in the box, it was 4 on 4 hockey. A face-off is set in our end of the ice, here comes the great face-off man, Malhotra. Important Face-Off No. 1 - Manny loses to Krejci, puck ends up going into the mesh after, setting it up for 'Important Face-Off No. 2 in our zone. Manny loses again, but here is the kicker, instead of doing what all centreman are suppose to do after the face-off in their zone, and that is stay with opposing face-off/center-man cause he is suppose to be your check, what does the Genius of Manny do, he for some reasons goes after the point man whom ends up with the puck that Krejci won on his 2nd face-off, leaving Krejci unchecked and alone in a great scoring position in front of our net, cause Manuel there is chasing the point man with another one of our players. Complete brilliance, but ssssssshhhhh, we don't need to bring this up any.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby Listercat » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:31 pm

Dude you're back fishing again eh?

Sorry but you are wrong about the situation with the 4 v 4 and Manny. There are 2 forwards and 2 D men and the forwards job is to cover the pointmen. The opposing forwards are supposed to be picked up by our D men. Hammer and Bieksa failed on their assignments on this one. Hammer was off to the side and KB was out too high.

On a 5 v 5 the centreman is supposed to stay with the other centreman allowing the D men to pick up the wingers.

While Manny has not been as effective this year thus far as we had hoped don't continually crucify the guy for stuff that is not his fault.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby wienerdog » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:36 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
wienerdog wrote:
5) Malhotra. The man may not be full value on his $2.5M contract post-injury, but he is still a huge part of this team's defense. His play has been steadily improving, and I remember AV or MG saying conditioning was an issue due to the fact he couldn't work out due to pressure in the eyeball. He's making strides.

For anyone who expects more than just un-flashy defensive play from MM, you're not going to get it. He's terrible offensively (remember the bitching about our third line this time last season?) and he's clumsy with the puck. Me, I don't care. I care what he does without the puck and when the opposition has it. He's our key faceoff guy and is the heart of our PK.

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Just curious wienerdog, what your thoughts were on Boston's 3rd goal and why it happened, cause nobody seems to want to talk about this, or I think what it is, is that when Malhotra fucks up royally, people turn a blind eye like the parents of a psychotic out of control child, do. Kind of like brushing it quietly under the carpet hoping nobody notices.

Let me remind, draw you up the scenario the best that I can from memory, Daniel Sedin was in the box, it was 4 on 4 hockey. A face-off is set in our end of the ice, here comes the great face-off man, Malhotra. Important Face-Off No. 1 - Manny loses to Krejci, puck ends up going into the mesh after, setting it up for 'Important Face-Off No. 2 in our zone. Manny loses again, but here is the kicker, instead of doing what all centreman are suppose to do after the face-off in their zone, and that is stay with opposing face-off/center-man cause he is suppose to be your check, what does the Genius of Manny do, he for some reasons goes after the point man whom ends up with the puck that Krejci won on his 2nd face-off, leaving Krejci unchecked and alone in a great scoring position in front of our net, cause Manuel there is chasing the point man with another one of our players. Complete brilliance, but ssssssshhhhh, we don't need to bring this up any.


[facepalm] Lol, at it again, huh? Sssssssssshhhhhh, indeed. Read what I wrote.

Nobody's arguing MM isn't living up to his $$. He's overpaid for what he brings to the table today, but he nearly lost a freaking eye, so I think that's understandable. GMMG can't see the future.

Malhotra also makes mistake - like the one you pointed out. Big deal, all players do. He's not super-human and without flaws.

But the bottom line is (like it or not) he's a key part of a top-of-the-League defense and he's steadily improving (albeit slowly). That's the glass-half-full view (you know, the one you never have ;) ) Besides, who exactly do you suggest replacing him with? Mancari? Oreo? Please.

Most importantly, RD / BD, he has a freaking NTC, so stop your incessant trumpeting that he's here already. MG won't ask him to waive. End of story, get over it.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby BladesofSteel » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:50 pm

mathonwy wrote:We won the battle but lost the war.

Imagine if this was game 1 of the SCF. We lose both Salo AND Ebbett? Big deal, we won one game and proceeded to lose a top 4 defenseman and a 4th line plug (that was actually playing quite well).

The playoffs are a war of attrition and I don't think we don't have the genetics to compete.

Sure the Nucks could have beat the B's in a 7 game series if everyone was healthy. The reality is, the Nucks will NEVER be 100% healthy in the SC final based on the physical make up of the team. How close to 100% healthy we'll be is based on luck and based on how physically durable our players are. History shows, our team wears down.

True, True.

But one thing Boston had last year was a relatively healthy lineup (Savard excluded) throughout the entire playoffs. They were the luckier of the two teams in the finals in that respect, yet with the way that team plays there is no way they can maintain that same luck in another deep playoff drive. Particularly if they opt to play at a similarly high level as yesterday, on a consistent basis b/w now and April. It all catches up at some point. Boston is certainly not immune to injuries.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:51 pm

wienerdog wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:
wienerdog wrote:
5) Malhotra. The man may not be full value on his $2.5M contract post-injury, but he is still a huge part of this team's defense. His play has been steadily improving, and I remember AV or MG saying conditioning was an issue due to the fact he couldn't work out due to pressure in the eyeball. He's making strides.

For anyone who expects more than just un-flashy defensive play from MM, you're not going to get it. He's terrible offensively (remember the bitching about our third line this time last season?) and he's clumsy with the puck. Me, I don't care. I care what he does without the puck and when the opposition has it. He's our key faceoff guy and is the heart of our PK.

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Just curious wienerdog, what your thoughts were on Boston's 3rd goal and why it happened, cause nobody seems to want to talk about this, or I think what it is, is that when Malhotra fucks up royally, people turn a blind eye like the parents of a psychotic out of control child, do. Kind of like brushing it quietly under the carpet hoping nobody notices.

Let me remind, draw you up the scenario the best that I can from memory, Daniel Sedin was in the box, it was 4 on 4 hockey. A face-off is set in our end of the ice, here comes the great face-off man, Malhotra. Important Face-Off No. 1 - Manny loses to Krejci, puck ends up going into the mesh after, setting it up for 'Important Face-Off No. 2 in our zone. Manny loses again, but here is the kicker, instead of doing what all centreman are suppose to do after the face-off in their zone, and that is stay with opposing face-off/center-man cause he is suppose to be your check, what does the Genius of Manny do, he for some reasons goes after the point man whom ends up with the puck that Krejci won on his 2nd face-off, leaving Krejci unchecked and alone in a great scoring position in front of our net, cause Manuel there is chasing the point man with another one of our players. Complete brilliance, but ssssssshhhhh, we don't need to bring this up any.


[facepalm] Lol, at it again, huh? Sssssssssshhhhhh, indeed. Read what I wrote.

Nobody's arguing MM isn't living up to his $$. He's overpaid for what he brings to the table today, but he nearly lost a freaking eye, so I think that's understandable. GMMG can't see the future.

Malhotra also makes mistake - like the one you pointed out. Big deal, all players do. He's not super-human and without flaws.

But the bottom line is (like it or not) he's a key part of a top-of-the-League defense and he's steadily improving (albeit slowly). That's the glass-half-full view (you know, the one you never have ;) ) Besides, who exactly do you suggest replacing him with? Mancari? Oreo? Please.

Most importantly, RD / BD, he has a freaking NTC, so stop your incessant trumpeting that he's here already. MG won't ask him to waive. End of story, get over it.


I just want everyone to stop using the only excuse why Manny is soooooo valuable because of his face-offs when after losing two key face-offs in a row at a key point in the game, not mention his brain fart in letting his check go, the same guy who ended up putting the Bruins back to within 1 goal. That goal gave Boston life. Manny is overrated. I don't get the love for the guy. Of course, I know full well about the NTC with Manny, all I am saying is 'scratch the fucking bum'.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:55 pm

wienerdog wrote:he's a key part of a top-of-the-League defense and he's steadily improving (albeit slowly). That's the glass-half-full view (you know, the one you never have ;) ) Besides, who exactly do you suggest replacing him with? Mancari? Oreo? Please.



The Canucks current line-up has the luxury of a lot of players who play both ends of the rink really well, one of them being Raymond. Malhotra is redundant thanks to CoHo and Lapierre. He's lost on the 4th line. Practically the entire forward group can penalty kill with the best of them. He wouldn't be missed if he was scratched. Get rid of the bum, time for him to ride the pine, make room for Bitz or Duco when Booth gets back. Done Deal.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:59 pm

Listercat wrote:Dude you're back fishing again eh?

Sorry but you are wrong about the situation with the 4 v 4 and Manny. There are 2 forwards and 2 D men and the forwards job is to cover the pointmen. The opposing forwards are supposed to be picked up by our D men. Hammer and Bieksa failed on their assignments on this one. Hammer was off to the side and KB was out too high.

On a 5 v 5 the centreman is supposed to stay with the other centreman allowing the D men to pick up the wingers.

While Manny has not been as effective this year thus far as we had hoped don't continually crucify the guy for stuff that is not his fault.


Can't say I 100% agree with you here, to put all this blame on Hammer. The bottom line is, Malhotra lost two face-offs in a row at a key point in the game, he choked and was directly responsible for the goal cause that is why he is here, face-offs,
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby Southern_Canuck » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:00 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Just curious wienerdog, what your thoughts were on Boston's 3rd goal and why it happened, cause nobody seems to want to talk about this, or I think what it is, is that when Malhotra fucks up royally, people turn a blind eye like the parents of a psychotic out of control child, do. Kind of like brushing it quietly under the carpet hoping nobody notices.


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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby tantalum » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:03 pm

Fred wrote:Nice photo of Lucic leaving the ice

http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnh ... 96653.jpeg


That's why the call on the ice was the correct one. He's at the bench if not on it and then leaves to join an altercation. It's in the rule 70.1 that he can not do so even if he was a legal guy on the ice from a line change. But the NHL set the precedent by not suspending Downie for something similar.

I can't help but think people's thoughts on it would be far different if the altercation was 100 feet away and Lucic went charging into the pile. Because it's 10 feet he's not at fault? Come on.

Regardless the refs made the call for that reason and for a game management reason. Nothing wrong with that but yet again the NHL embarasses the officials with a public decisions and statement. Just stupid.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby BladesofSteel » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:34 pm

I agree Tant.

All in all, I applaud the job the refs did yesterday as it must have been one of the more difficult games they'll face all (regular) season.
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Re: GDT: Canucks @ Beantown - 10am - Snet / NHLN-US

Postby Reefer2 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:44 pm

tantalum wrote:
Fred wrote:Nice photo of Lucic leaving the ice

http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnh ... 96653.jpeg


That's why the call on the ice was the correct one. He's at the bench if not on it and then leaves to join an altercation. It's in the rule 70.1 that he can not do so even if he was a legal guy on the ice from a line change. But the NHL set the precedent by not suspending Downie for something similar.

I can't help but think people's thoughts on it would be far different if the altercation was 100 feet away and Lucic went charging into the pile. Because it's 10 feet he's not at fault? Come on.

Regardless the refs made the call for that reason and for a game management reason. Nothing wrong with that but yet again the NHL embarasses the officials with a public decisions and statement. Just stupid.


Not to defend him but he only had 1 foot in the bench and one on the ice, does that consititute a line change? And Cherry, the reason Sedin got off the ice was because it was a line change and he would of been in trouble if he even touched a guy.

Just once I would love to see MG go on CBC and call Cherry and stooge #1 out, Cherry is such a fuck tard, the only time I watch him is if Canucks play the early game, he goes on about the 11 PP Canucks get but not the 8 Boston gets. He talks about the tap Burrows gives but not the punched Boston gives. He talks about the non fight but not the constant after whistle punched to the Sedin's by Boston tough guys.
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