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Re: GDT: Canucks host Minny - 7pm - Snet-P

Postby dhabums » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:01 am

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clem wrote:Lu was good. Take that, haters.


Seriously? He's playing a lot better. But there is no excuse for how the player started the season. None.


Just for fun mondi, you should pay close attention to a different team for an entire season. You'll quickly notice most guys have slumps, the difference it RL's is always at the start so it is magnified. As for an excuse, according to RL he has tried several different summer regiments and nothing really is different. I don't give a shit about his October/November, June is all that matters. That goes for every skater on the team as well.
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Re: GDT: Canucks host Minny - 7pm - Snet-P

Postby ukcanuck » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:22 am

dhabums wrote:
Mondi wrote:
clem wrote:Lu was good. Take that, haters.


Seriously? He's playing a lot better. But there is no excuse for how the player started the season. None.


Just for fun mondi, you should pay close attention to a different team for an entire season. You'll quickly notice most guys have slumps, the difference it RL's is always at the start so it is magnified. As for an excuse, according to RL he has tried several different summer regiments and nothing really is different. I don't give a shit about his October/November, June is all that matters. That goes for every skater on the team as well.

agreed dhabums its not how you start its how you finish... I suppose the haters will point out that luongo has finished by having his ass handed to him the last three seasons, four if you count the non call on the offside against dha ducks .
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Re: GDT: Canucks host Minny - 7pm - Snet-P

Postby Uncle dans leg » Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:18 am

I suspect that if he can put himself in a bubble and avoid all the Dustin Byfugliens, the bizarre tire pumping interviews, the trash talking, he might be able to win it all.
So far, whenever a team gets in his head, he fails.

Yesterday he played great but nobody on the wild payed any attention to him, so to speak. When he can rise above the bullshit he'll become a champion.
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Re: GDT: Canucks host Minny - 7pm - Snet-P

Postby Mondi » Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:35 am

dhabums wrote:
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clem wrote:Lu was good. Take that, haters.


Seriously? He's playing a lot better. But there is no excuse for how the player started the season. None.


Just for fun mondi, you should pay close attention to a different team for an entire season. You'll quickly notice most guys have slumps, the difference it RL's is always at the start so it is magnified. As for an excuse, according to RL he has tried several different summer regiments and nothing really is different. I don't give a shit about his October/November, June is all that matters. That goes for every skater on the team as well.


Well if June is all that matters, I suppose you're a big Luongo supporter after last season?

If you want to use (a 2 game absence) as an excuse because he had (minor) injuries, that's fine. But a guy who played the first 35-40% of the season at the back of the pack for all goaltenders is not just slumping through a game or two or even 10.

As for following other teams, give me a break. Your condescending attitude and sanctimonious posts might sound brilliant when you type them out, but I'll reference Luongo's playoff numbers ALL DAY to prove my point about a guy that doesn't just have slumps like other goaltenders. This guy melts down on cue in the big games, every season. And he starts every season like an un-athletic whale. His problem is once something gets in his head, it ain't never coming out.

The Nucks are playing really great right now, so its very easy to forgive and forget. But, as you say only June will reveal whether Luongo has exercised any demons. So far this season he's looked the same as always, Luongo's seasons in six words (from September to playoffs): Bad, Good, EXCELLENT, Good, Bad, TERRIBLE. That's been his M.O. for a few years. So forgive me if I can't just look at last night's box score and believe everything is fine, just like the weather.

I support Luongo, and I supported him through that BS media-created "controversy", but don't give me the "watch other goalies and learn something routine". As a dedicated (degenerate) sports gambler, I watch more games than the average bear (likely including you).
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Re: GDT: Canucks host Minny - 7pm - Snet-P

Postby dhabums » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:50 pm

Mondi wrote:
dhabums wrote:
Mondi wrote:
Seriously? He's playing a lot better. But there is no excuse for how the player started the season. None.


Just for fun mondi, you should pay close attention to a different team for an entire season. You'll quickly notice most guys have slumps, the difference it RL's is always at the start so it is magnified. As for an excuse, according to RL he has tried several different summer regiments and nothing really is different. I don't give a shit about his October/November, June is all that matters. That goes for every skater on the team as well.


Well if June is all that matters, I suppose you're a big Luongo supporter after last season?


Not sure how that is relevant, but ok.

I guess I just don't quite get why you are still whining about October. However, as my good deed for the day, I am going to let you in on a little secret. Luongo will probably suck next October. Perhaps his slightly later than usual rounding into form means he'll be good just a little bit longer.
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Re: GDT: Canucks host Minny - 7pm - Snet-P

Postby Mondi » Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:55 pm

You say June is all that matters.

I say Luongo, who had never given up 8 in his career, gives up 8 in the SCF (which take place in June in case you weren't sure).

You say my point is not relevant.

I ask you to tell me how that is not the most relevant point made in this discussion, perhaps in the history of discussions about Luongo?

Put another way,

If you say X is the only thing that matters for Y.

And I say yeah, X does matter. But remember how bad X went last time it happened for Y.

You say, not sure how your point about Y and X is relevant.

Then, you need a logic lesson.

As much as you say the slow start doesn't matter, it is indicative of the usual patten. Which includes the obligatory May/June meltdown.

Luongo's playing great hockey. And that is great news. But, his body of work speaks for itself. I'm no hater, just a guy who looks at the facts, and the biggest games of his career and sees a lot of shocking results. Games 1 and 5 of the SCF and the gold medal game are 3 diamond in the rough.

Actually, I take it all back. Luongo is an awesome clutch performer. Brodeur, Roy then Luongo. Everyone else is crap. Go Bobby Lu.
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Re: GDT: Canucks host Minny - 7pm - Snet-P

Postby Cornuck » Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:27 pm

Mondi wrote:Actually, I take it all back. Luongo is an awesome clutch performer. Brodeur, Roy then Luongo. Everyone else is crap. Go Bobby Lu.


Holy shit! My sarcasm meter just exploded! :D
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Re: GDT: Canucks host Minny - 7pm - Snet-P

Postby Mondi » Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:44 pm

Cornuck wrote:
Mondi wrote:Actually, I take it all back. Luongo is an awesome clutch performer. Brodeur, Roy then Luongo. Everyone else is crap. Go Bobby Lu.


Holy shit! My sarcasm meter just exploded! :D


I honestly think Luongo is a pretty good player. I just can't stand the defenders who seems to ignore his body of work in the playoffs.

I also find Luongo's attitude and how he speaks to the media a little odd. You watch this guy with 5 minutes left in a game where he's got a shut out going and you'll never see him try harder. He likes personal stats a little too much, that's bunk.
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Re: GDT: Canucks host Minny - 7pm - Snet-P

Postby clem » Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:21 pm

Mondi wrote: So far this season he's looked the same as always, Luongo's seasons in six words (from September to playoffs): Bad, Good, EXCELLENT, Good, Bad, TERRIBLE. That's been his M.O. for a few years. So forgive me if I can't just look at last night's box score and believe everything is fine, just like the weather.

Mondi wrote:As much as you say the slow start doesn't matter, it is indicative of the usual patten. Which includes the obligatory May/June meltdown.

Luongo's playing great hockey. And that is great news. But, his body of work speaks for itself. I'm no hater, just a guy who looks at the facts, and the biggest games of his career and sees a lot of shocking results. Games 1 and 5 of the SCF and the gold medal game are 3 diamond in the rough.


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Re: GDT: Canucks host Minny - 7pm - Snet-P

Postby wienerdog » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:02 am

Mondi wrote:I say Luongo, who had never given up 8 in his career, gives up 8 in the SCF (which take place in June in case you weren't sure).


I don't think 98% of goalies have ever given up 8. They get yanked way before that.

In a way, Mondi, that stat is more telling of AV than of RL.

OTOH, I'm with you re: RL's suspect issues in playoffs, and I fucking hope that coaching has the balls this year to go with CS is it comes down to that.
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Re: GDT: Canucks host Minny - 7pm - Snet-P

Postby herb » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:10 am

Mondi wrote:I honestly think Luongo is a pretty good player. I just can't stand the defenders who seems to ignore his body of work in the playoffs.

I also find Luongo's attitude and how he speaks to the media a little odd. You watch this guy with 5 minutes left in a game where he's got a shut out going and you'll never see him try harder. He likes personal stats a little too much, that's bunk.


I totally understand the frustration with Luongo. I have totally come to terms with the fact that we have a very good, but totally imperfect goaltender. C'est la vie. The man is not invincible like he appeared to be in his first season here. That being said, he's going to very easily be one of the top 10 most winningest goaltenders in NHL history, and will probably end up in the top 5 above guys like Sawchuk, Esposito, Fuhr and Hasek.

I know stats aren't everything, and about the meltdowns, etc., but his career playoff stats are almost identical to his career regular season stats.

Regular season:
321W 275L 2.52GAA .919SV%

Playoffs:
32W 27L 2.50GAA .917SV%
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Re: GDT: Canucks host Minny - 7pm - Snet-P

Postby Mondi » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:16 pm

clem wrote:
Mondi wrote: So far this season he's looked the same as always, Luongo's seasons in six words (from September to playoffs): Bad, Good, EXCELLENT, Good, Bad, TERRIBLE. That's been his M.O. for a few years. So forgive me if I can't just look at last night's box score and believe everything is fine, just like the weather.

Mondi wrote:As much as you say the slow start doesn't matter, it is indicative of the usual patten. Which includes the obligatory May/June meltdown.

Luongo's playing great hockey. And that is great news. But, his body of work speaks for itself. I'm no hater, just a guy who looks at the facts, and the biggest games of his career and sees a lot of shocking results. Games 1 and 5 of the SCF and the gold medal game are 3 diamond in the rough.


If the sky wasn't so blue, maybe we could all see it falling.


The sky is not falling. In fact the Canucks are playing better than all but a couple of teams in the NHL.

But as silly as it was to write off Luongo after 10 bad games, the same is true of saying all well after 6 to 10 good ones.
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Re: GDT: Canucks host Minny - 7pm - Snet-P

Postby dhabums » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:14 pm

Mondi wrote:You say June is all that matters.

I say Luongo, who had never given up 8 in his career, gives up 8 in the SCF (which take place in June in case you weren't sure).

You say my point is not relevant.


Actually, I meant to say you are not relevant.

You were whining about October. I do not care about October.
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Re: GDT: Canucks host Minny - 7pm - Snet-P

Postby clem » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:10 pm

Mondi wrote:
But as silly as it was to write off Luongo after 10 bad games, the same is true of saying all well after 6 to 10 good ones.

If it's silly to right him off, and it’s silly to say all's well - maybe - it's silly to get worked up about it at this time.
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