GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

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Re: GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

Postby Potatoe1 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:33 am

RoyalDude wrote:
Potatoe1 wrote:-Tonight it was pretty obvious what Gillis was after with the Booth acquisition. Booth looked good with Kesler, won a ton of battles, had a ton of shots, and scored a goal. More importantly however Booth spent a ton of time in the trenches and ultimately got his goal from there. The Canucks were woefully lacking in the secondary scoring this playoff but more importantly they were lacking guys who could get to the inside and score from there.


I have yet to see anything resembling a nifty little skill set from this 4.5 million dollar man.


He doesn't need to be "nifty", he needs to forecheck, win puck battles, drive the net, and score goals from the trenches.

He did all those things last night and if he continues to do them, no one should be complaining.
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Re: GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

Postby coco_canuck » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:38 am

Complete domination.

It's as well as a team can play on the road, and they just outpaced and outworked a strong defensive team in their own barn.

The difference was obvious, it was having a stout second line lead by Kesler. When Kes plays at the top of his game and the Sedins do their thing, this team is really tough to beat.

How great is it that we have Higgins signed for another year at $1.9M? The way he's playing with and without the puck, and the goal scoring pace he's on, that deal he signed will be a huge bargain.

Much to the chagrin of RD, Booth did have a strong game. Kesler played a big part in that, but typically when your star centre plays well, it makes the wingers better too. Booth still has a ways to go and can be even better.

Gotta ride the Schneid again tonight vs San Jose. He didn't need to be spectacular, but he looks locked in a made some difficult saves look easy.

The defense is looking much better moving the puck up on the tape despite the terrible ice. Edler with a strong physical game, but all the d-men, maybe with the exception of Alberts, were moving the puck well.

Did they replace Salo's Achillies with Zeus's leg?
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Re: GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:46 am

Potatoe1 wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:
Potatoe1 wrote:-Tonight it was pretty obvious what Gillis was after with the Booth acquisition. Booth looked good with Kesler, won a ton of battles, had a ton of shots, and scored a goal. More importantly however Booth spent a ton of time in the trenches and ultimately got his goal from there. The Canucks were woefully lacking in the secondary scoring this playoff but more importantly they were lacking guys who could get to the inside and score from there.


I have yet to see anything resembling a nifty little skill set from this 4.5 million dollar man.


He doesn't need to be "nifty", he needs to forecheck, win puck battles, drive the net, and score goals from the trenches.

He did all those things last night and if he continues to do them, no one should be complaining.


At the 4.5 million dollar price tag that Booth comes with, a higher expectation other than what you mentioned above, which IMO is a glowingly description of a player that is simply not true, should be expected and not out of line, otherwise we or should I say Gillis should have gotten someone to do what you suggest at half the price, that would have been frugal and smart management. At 4.5 million I would expect to see hints of a Bill Guerin like Skill package combined with his so called power forward physique but I am seeing none of it.

So please don't down grade the out of this world game that Kesler played last night and pass some of that greatness on to Zealot Booth.
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Re: GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

Postby coco_canuck » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:50 am

RoyalDude wrote:At the 4.5 million dollar price tag that Booth comes with....yada yada yada


It's actually a $4.25M cap hit, so you need to adjust your expectations by about 5%.
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Re: GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

Postby Potatoe1 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:58 am

RoyalDude wrote:At the 4.5 million dollar price tag that Booth comes with, a higher expectation other than what you mentioned above, At 4.5 million I would expect to see hints of a Bill Guerin like Skill package combined with his so called power forward physique but I am seeing none of it.



It seems you are out of touch with the current NHL Market.

4.25 simply does not get what you are expecting unless you are signing your own player to a sweetheart deal.

If you are going into the free agent market, a 23 goal 40+ point scorer with size, speed, and grit (and is also 26 not 32) is going to be well over 4 mill at a term that likely stretches through their early 30's.
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Re: GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:59 am

coco_canuck wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:At the 4.5 million dollar price tag that Booth comes with....yada yada yada


It's actually a $4.25M cap hit, so you need to adjust your expectations by about 5%.


Hey, I wouldn't mind the price tag if his contract ended this year, but we are stuck with this money pit for years.
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Re: GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:00 am

Potatoe1 wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:At the 4.5 million dollar price tag that Booth comes with, a higher expectation other than what you mentioned above, At 4.5 million I would expect to see hints of a Bill Guerin like Skill package combined with his so called power forward physique but I am seeing none of it.



It seems you are out of touch with the current NHL Market.

4.25 simply does not get what you are expecting unless you are signing your own player to a sweetheart deal.

If you are going into the free agent market, a 23 goal 40+ point scorer with size, speed, and grit (and is also 26 not 32) is going to be well over 4 mill at a term that likely stretches through their early 30's.


Please Tater, lose the 'Grit' description when describing Booth.
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Re: GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

Postby Potatoe1 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:03 am

RoyalDude wrote:
Please Tater, lose the 'Grit' description when describing Booth.


Why would I do that?
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Re: GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:08 am

Potatoe1 wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:
Please Tater, lose the 'Grit' description when describing Booth.


Why would I do that?


Because it ain't accurate.
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Re: GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

Postby Potatoe1 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:16 am

RoyalDude wrote:
Potatoe1 wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:
Please Tater, lose the 'Grit' description when describing Booth.


Why would I do that?


Because it ain't accurate.


We disagree,

He forechecks hard, takes the body, drives the net, and takes a hit to make a play.

Just because he is a crappy fighter doesn't mean he isn't "gritty".

I suppose Higgenst isnt gritty either?
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Re: GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

Postby dhabums » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:21 am

RoyalDude wrote:
coco_canuck wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:At the 4.5 million dollar price tag that Booth comes with....yada yada yada


It's actually a $4.25M cap hit, so you need to adjust your expectations by about 5%.


Hey, I wouldn't mind the price tag if his contract ended this year, but we are stuck with this money pit for years.


So you think he is worth it this year but not next?
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Re: GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

Postby coco_canuck » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:23 am

It seems grit or toughness has to be synonymous with some sort of truculence for some.

Anyways, Booth needs to be a 25-30 goal scorer first and foremost to justify his salary. He also needs to consistently work and succeed in the dirty areas.

I think we're going to see his offensive form round out nicely in the second half of the season, and we've already seen his willingness to go to the tough areas.

The only way this deal looks bad is if Booth completely loses his scoring touch and continually floats around the perimeter. I highly doubt that happens.

But if anyone is expecting him to play like a star 1st line winger, then your expectations are a little warped.
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Re: GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:28 am

dhabums wrote:So you think he is worth it this year but not next?


Not quite dhacuckolder, I can live with the pain for one year, knowing that the pain will meet its end at seasons Final, but such is not the case dhagimp.
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Re: GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

Postby Corb » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:32 am

I find Booth's puck handling pretty weak to be honest. The other aspects of his game, when he's on, will certainly help the team though. They need to work on his nickname too, Boothy is horrid. Moses might be a good one :thumbs:

Schneider looked good again, even though he wasn't too busy. We know AV has the stones to sit Lou, and I hope he chooses to ride the shutout streak.
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Re: GDT: Nov 25 Canucks @ Coyotes

Postby clem » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:50 am

Corb wrote:I find Booth's puck handling pretty weak to be honest. The other aspects of his game, when he's on, will certainly help the team though. They need to work on his nickname too, Boothy is horrid. Moses might be a good one :thumbs:

Moses parted the defense, and they skated to the promised land. :eh:
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