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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Topper » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:39 am

BCExpat wrote:Yeah, I remember the Perreault debacle. It's amazing how the flip of a coin made such a difference in the early years. Not that Buffalo won anything, but they had a pretty decent team within a few years of entring the NHL.

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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby rats19 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:52 am

Truth be known....we feel your pain expat..just care a whole lot less.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Larry Goodenough » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:13 pm

Just discovered a Flames fact this afternoon - since Backlund has been hurt and out for all games so far this year - Calgary has not iced a single player this season that they have drafted.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby BCExpat » Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:39 am

Larry Goodenough wrote:Just discovered a Flames fact this afternoon - since Backlund has been hurt and out for all games so far this year - Calgary has not iced a single player this season that they have drafted.


Not true - I haven't gone through the entire roster, but David Moss for example, is a Calgary Draft pick. They don't have many of their own draft picks in their lineup, but there are a few.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Larry Goodenough » Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:44 pm

BCExpat wrote:
Larry Goodenough wrote:Just discovered a Flames fact this afternoon - since Backlund has been hurt and out for all games so far this year - Calgary has not iced a single player this season that they have drafted.


Not true - I haven't gone through the entire roster, but David Moss for example, is a Calgary Draft pick. They don't have many of their own draft picks in their lineup, but there are a few.


I stand corrected - Moss was a 2001 7th round pick. However, according to hockeydb.com, he's the only one, everyone else who has played a game this year was acquired through trade or free agency. So, there's not a few, just one.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby ukcanuck » Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:38 pm

Larry Goodenough wrote:
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Larry Goodenough wrote:Just discovered a Flames fact this afternoon - since Backlund has been hurt and out for all games so far this year - Calgary has not iced a single player this season that they have drafted.


Not true - I haven't gone through the entire roster, but David Moss for example, is a Calgary Draft pick. They don't have many of their own draft picks in their lineup, but there are a few.


I stand corrected - Moss was a 2001 7th round pick. However, according to hockeydb.com, he's the only one, everyone else who has played a game this year was acquired through trade or free agency. So, there's not a few, just one.


really is a strong indication of the management style that franchise has suttered with...
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby BCExpat » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:25 pm

[/quote]really is a strong indication of the management style that franchise has suttered with...[/quote]

Well, in all fairness to Sutter, he did revamp the Calgary Flames farm system and scouting. The problem is, he traded away too many high draft picks. Calgary has drafted well in the last few years. It'll take a couple of years for that to show up in their lineup.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Southern_Canuck » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:08 pm

Larry Goodenough wrote:Moss was a 2001 7th round pick. However, according to hockeydb.com, he's the only one (Calgary drafted player on their roster), everyone else who has played a game this year was acquired through trade or free agency. So, there's not a few, just one.


Wow - that has to be the lowest total in the league, right?

That's quite surprising... I wouldn't have guessed ANY team in the league would have only ONE drafted player in their lineup.

For comparison, Vancouver has 8 (Henrik, Daniel, Kesler, Edler, Hansen, Bieksa, Hodgson, and Schneider)

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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby rats19 » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:29 pm

Most drafted players on our team seem to be important ....
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Hank » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:14 pm

So can we finally admit that our scouting has been fairly good in the last decade or more, even under the Burke and Nonis regimes?

Despite a few busts here and there like most teams have, we're certainly not the worst in the NHL of all time as some cynics have often alluded to.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby BCExpat » Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:00 pm

Hank wrote:So can we finally admit that our scouting has been fairly good in the last decade or more, even under the Burke and Nonis regimes?

Despite a few busts here and there like most teams have, we're certainly not the worst in the NHL of all time as some cynics have often alluded to.


Vancouver's drafting has been pretty good over the last decade. It just goes to show how long it's going to take Calgary to get to that level. One other thing - Calgary has never had a first overall pick - ever. Even when they came into the league as the Atlanta Flames, they ended up drafting 2nd.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Larry Goodenough » Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:25 pm

really is a strong indication of the management style that franchise has suttered with...


Well, in all fairness to Sutter, he did revamp the Calgary Flames farm system and scouting. The problem is, he traded away too many high draft picks. Calgary has drafted well in the last few years. It'll take a couple of years for that to show up in their lineup.


I have respect for Feaster for not following the Kevin Lowe/Tambellini/Dale Talon quitters plan.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby jackalman » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:15 am

BCExpat wrote:
Hank wrote:So can we finally admit that our scouting has been fairly good in the last decade or more, even under the Burke and Nonis regimes?

Despite a few busts here and there like most teams have, we're certainly not the worst in the NHL of all time as some cynics have often alluded to.


Vancouver's drafting has been pretty good over the last decade. It just goes to show how long it's going to take Calgary to get to that level. One other thing - Calgary has never had a first overall pick - ever. Even when they came into the league as the Atlanta Flames, they ended up drafting 2nd.

Neither has Vancouver.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby BCExpat » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:03 pm

jackalman wrote:
BCExpat wrote:
Hank wrote:So can we finally admit that our scouting has been fairly good in the last decade or more, even under the Burke and Nonis regimes?

Despite a few busts here and there like most teams have, we're certainly not the worst in the NHL of all time as some cynics have often alluded to.


Vancouver's drafting has been pretty good over the last decade. It just goes to show how long it's going to take Calgary to get to that level. One other thing - Calgary has never had a first overall pick - ever. Even when they came into the league as the Atlanta Flames, they ended up drafting 2nd.

Neither has Vancouver.


Well, technically, in the wheeling and dealing that lead up to getting the Sedins at #2 and #3 overall, Burke did trade to get a #1 pick and then dealt that pick. So, technically, Vancouver at least had possession of a #1 pick overall - even if they didn't use it. Getting a #2 and #3 overall in the same round, especially when they are the Sedins, is probably better than a #1 pick overall.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby dhabums » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:33 pm

Larry Goodenough wrote:
really is a strong indication of the management style that franchise has suttered with...


Well, in all fairness to Sutter, he did revamp the Calgary Flames farm system and scouting. The problem is, he traded away too many high draft picks. Calgary has drafted well in the last few years. It'll take a couple of years for that to show up in their lineup.


I have respect for Feaster for not following the Kevin Lowe/Tambellini/Dale Talon quitters plan.


Perhaps you have respect for the ownership for giving him the ability to take a chance?
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