Canucks Acquire David Booth & Parts + Various Rumours

[RoyalDude]

I guess it would be unfathomable to put Turris on the wing..

Yeah, and we witnessed first hand how weak Hodgson looked along the boards trying to handle winger duties in the Minnesota game. I don't think it's wise to have a team of centre's who have played centre their whole lives playing the wing in the NHL.

[ClamRussel]

On the Turris front I think if you can get a player with his upside especially for a player like Tanev you do it in a heartbeat. Turris has potential to be a PPG or better player which is better than Tanev's peak of a #4-6ish defenseman. Would it be better if he was a born winger? yes, but I still think you get Turris if he's available.

Agreed, but at this point to think Turris will turn out better than Hodgson is pure speculation...we won't know that scenerio for a few years yet as both have had their ups & downs plus failed to live up to expectations as early as hoped....however, to immediate slot Turris as our no.3 center ahead of Cody...well, the grass is always greener isn't it?

Sedin Sedin Burr
Booth Kes Doan
Higgins Turris Hansen
Manny Lappy Weiss

If we can land Turris and hold onto Hodgson, well the future would certainly look brighter wouldn't it?

[RoyalDude]

Yeah, I can relate somewhat, but MINUS 31 last year, WOW!

Didn't Lu make some records in Florida for most saves in a season or something? Florida has never really placed any value in defence, defensive players or defensive systems.

So that somehow excuses him for those numbers? And wtf does Luongo have to do with this conversation?

[Potatoe1]

Hmm back to the Booth Deal, perhaps it isn't as "risky" as I first though...

Tim Conley 2 years 4.75 mill per
Thomas Fleischmann 4 years 4 mill per
Ville Leino 6 years 4.5 per
Scottie Upshall 4 years 3.5 mill
Joel Ward 4 years 3 mill per

None of these deals are out of line with Booths numbers from last season and with his NTC not moving forward we should be able to move him if things don't work out.

Leino only has 1 good year under his belt and has never scored 20 goals, Fleischmann has 1 season over 20 goals, Upshall has never been over 40 points. Conley has a horrible rep and injury history.

Booth has a 30 goal season and 2 other seasons over 20. He's also the youngest of the above group and the most physical.

Main exposure is his concussion history.

[Benjo]

I guess it would be unfathomable to put Turris on the wing..

Yeah, and we witnessed first hand how weak Hodgson looked along the boards trying to handle winger duties in the Minnesota game. I don't think it's wise to have a team of centre's who have played centre their whole lives playing the wing in the NHL.

Hogson =/= Turris

[RoyalDude]

On the Turris front I think if you can get a player with his upside especially for a player like Tanev you do it in a heartbeat. Turris has potential to be a PPG or better player which is better than Tanev's peak of a #4-6ish defenseman. Would it be better if he was a born winger? yes, but I still think you get Turris if he's available.

Agreed, but at this point to think Turris will turn out better than Hodgson is pure speculation...we won't know that scenerio for a few years yet as both have had their ups & downs plus failed to live up to expectations as early as hoped....however, to immediate slot Turris as our no.3 center ahead of Cody...well, the grass is always greener isn't it?

Sedin Sedin Burr
Booth Kes Doan
Higgins Turris Hansen
Manny Lappy Weiss

If we can land Turris and hold onto Hodgson, well the future would certainly look brighter wouldn't it?

But the future is NOW for Hodgson. Everyone from his draft class have all turned into men and are starting to play regularly in the NHL, if he ain't ready now, he never will be.

[Benjo]

Yeah, I can relate somewhat, but MINUS 31 last year, WOW!

Didn't Lu make some records in Florida for most saves in a season or something? Florida has never really placed any value in defence, defensive players or defensive systems.

So that somehow excuses him for those numbers? And wtf does Luongo have to do with this conversation?

My point was more about Florida's history of placing 0 value in the idea stopping goals against than Luongo.

[ClamRussel]

Too bad we didn't have Booth in the finals...he just owns Thomas and Chara.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFOjJ5YAtNU

[coco_canuck]

It's completely obvious Gillis is after Weber, and the rumors of Weber wanting to play here are absolutely true. As HW stated, Weber isn't hellbent on coming here, but all things being equal, Vancouer would be his first choice.

We can likely trust Darren Dreger, a very reliable source, when he says the Canucks may not be done dealing. Gillis also made a power move getting his 3rd rounder back from Florida, setting up the threat of an offer-sheet in the summer, with the most likely target being Weber.

Here is where I will throw out a bit of a wild scenario...

If the Canucks are after their own 3rd rounder from Anaheim, they would be doing so to set up another power move to sign a current RFA. Let's speculate the target is Kyle Turris.

It doesn't make much sense for the Canucks to go after a centre like Turris without making another move that would include Hodgson or Turris himself.

Is it possible Gillis could be looking to get Turris only to flip him to Nashville as part of a larger package for Weber?

The Preds are in need of a point producing 2-way centre, and Turris has that type of potential. Nashville isn't in the position to get a high salaried player, but they are likely looking for a good young player they think they can develop into a productive centre.

Nashville would also likely want a defenseman back in return and maybe a draft pick. Gillis can tell Poile he has the picks to give Weber an offer-sheet he couldn't possible accept, and possible only receive picks as compensation. Since Nashville took Weber to arbitration this summer they can't take him to arb next summer, so Weber could be exposed after the draft if Poile can't sign him to an extension. Poile also need to sign Suter and Rinne, but he knows it's not possible he can sign all three, it's only a matter of how many he can keep, if any.

Gillis seems to be setting up for a larger move, and if Weber would be coming here, one of Edler or Ballard would be going the other way. It's very telling Gillis was able to add his need up front without giving up any tangible assets.

This is obviously a case of 2+2=6 but it doesn't strike me as being inconceivable.

Also, did anyone else notice how Gillis and AV were almost praising Weber for hitting Hanen in the numbers?

Gillis isn't afraid to defend his players and call out the opposition, like he did to Michalek after he tripped up Ballard who gruesomely bent his knee.

Just saying.

[Potatoe1]

Yeah, I can relate somewhat, but MINUS 31 last year, WOW!

Didn't Lu make some records in Florida for most saves in a season or something? Florida has never really placed any value in defence, defensive players or defensive systems.

So that somehow excuses him for those numbers? And wtf does Luongo have to do with this conversation?

Booth was one of the teams highest plus players in 07/08 and 08/09.

I would guess the numbers from last season are an anomaly.

It's fairly rare that a big, fast, skilled, hard working, forwards suck defensively.

Hell Raffi Torrez is one of the dumbest and most inconsistant players I can remember, and even he wasnt much of a liability on this team.

[RoyalDude]

It's completely obvious Gillis is after Weber, and the rumors of Weber wanting to play here are absolutely true. As HW stated, Weber isn't hellbent on coming here, but all things being equal, Vancouer would be his first choice.

We can likely trust Darren Dreger, a very reliable source, when he says the Canucks may not be done dealing. Gillis also made a power move getting his 3rd rounder back from Florida, setting up the threat of an offer-sheet in the summer, with the most likely target being Weber.

Here is where I will throw out a bit of a wild scenario...

If the Canucks are after their own 3rd rounder from Anaheim, they would be doing so to set up another power move to sign a current RFA. Let's speculate the target is Kyle Turris.

It doesn't make much sense for the Canucks to go after a centre like Turris without making another move that would include Hodgson or Turris himself.

Is it possible Gillis could be looking to get Turris only to flip him to Nashville as part of a larger package for Weber?

The Preds are in need of a point producing 2-way centre, and Turris has that type of potential. Nashville isn't in the position to get a high salaried player, but they are likely looking for a good young player they think they can develop into a productive centre.

Nashville would also likely want a defenseman back in return and maybe a draft pick. Gillis can tell Poile he has the picks to give Weber an offer-sheet he couldn't possible accept, and possible only receive picks as compensation. Since Nashville took Weber to arbitration this summer they can't take him to arb next summer, so Weber could be exposed after the draft if Poile can't sign him to an extension. Poile also need to sign Suter and Rinne, but he knows it's not possible he can sign all three, it's only a matter of how many he can keep, if any.

Gillis seems to be setting up for a larger move, and if Weber would be coming here, one of Edler or Ballard would be going the other way. It's very telling Gillis was able to add his need up front without giving up any tangible assets.

This is obviously a case of 2+2=6 but it doesn't strike me as being inconceivable.

This doesn't seem so far fetched to me. It might explain the Turris and Anaheim rumor. I really think Gillis has serious a boner for Weber.

[Corb]

LOL, we're spinning out of control!!!!! What a tale Coco!

[Potatoe1]

It's completely obvious Gillis is after Weber, and the rumors of Weber wanting to play here are absolutely true. As HW stated, Weber isn't hellbent on coming here, but all things being equal, Vancouer would be his first choice.

We can likely trust Darren Dreger, a very reliable source, when he says the Canucks may not be done dealing. Gillis also made a power move getting his 3rd rounder back from Florida, setting up the threat of an offer-sheet in the summer, with the most likely target being Weber.

Here is where I will throw out a bit of a wild scenario...

If the Canucks are after their own 3rd rounder from Anaheim, they would be doing so to set up another power move to sign a current RFA. Let's speculate the target is Kyle Turris.

LOL what are you on today (smile).

Anyway since we are throwing out the pie in the shy stuff today......

I'm sure Gillis would love Weber and you are right in that he very likely has considered how to position himself to target this player given he is from BC and his former partner Hamhuis is here already.

And you raise a great point on Turris....

As much as I like Tanev, there is simply no question that a signed and flourishing Kyle Turris is worth far more as an asset then Chris Tanev.

Tanev would be great for us because he will still be dirt cheap for us next season and cheap defensive depth is huge for cup contenders, but there is just no comparison between the asset value of a former 3rd pick who is finding his grove.

Turris right now is the ultimate "buy low" in terms of asset value. If he wasn't holding out there is zero chance he would be available for the caliber of players we are talking about.

I'm not even claiming he's that great, but there is a certain cache that former top picks carry and it takes a long time for their value to diminish.

[RoyalDude]

Do you not agree that Mason's ability to gain the offensive and maintain possession with puck with his speed and ability to turn on a dime and stick handle in a phone both does not make him a valuable asset and member to our Forward Unit? I don't understand this weird desire to trade Mason and for what?

I agree that he can gain the zone and with speed and stop on a dime but I disagree with the idea that he can stick handle in a phone booth or maintain possession in the opposing teams zone. Last season the play died on his stick countless times and the biggest complaint about Raymond was that he skates faster than his hands can handle. I do agree though he is not going to be traded anytime soon.

On the Turris front I think if you can get a player with his upside especially for a player like Tanev you do it in a heartbeat. Turris has potential to be a PPG or better player which is better than Tanev's peak of a #4-6ish defenseman. Would it be better if he was a born winger? yes, but I still think you get Turris if he's available.

If that frustrates you about Raymond then be prepared for some real frustration with Booth who had one of the worst shooting percentages in the league last year. He fires a ridiculous amounts of shots with low success. If you think Samuelsson took a lot of low percentage shots without consideration of using his teamates more than he should expect more or less the same with Booth. THAT BEING SAID, I like this Booth trade. It will be interesting to see if there are enough pucks to go around for Kesler and Booth though. Booth definitely doesn't like to use his linemates all that much, same goes for Kesler.

[Jovocop]

If that frustrates you about Raymond then be prepared for some real frustration with Booth who had one of the worst shooting percentages in the league last year. He fires a ridiculous amounts of shots with low success. If you think Samuelsson took a lot of low percentage shots without consideration of using his teamates more than he should expect more or less the same with Booth. THAT BEING SAID, I like this Booth trade. It will be interesting to see if there are enough pucks to go around for Kesler and Booth though. Booth definitely doesn't like to use his linemates all that much, same goes for Kesler.

You nailed it right there, RD. The problem is that Raymond holds onto the puck til he loses it without getting a shot on goal. Even if Booth shoots a lot of low percentage shots, it is still 1000x better than no chances at all.