GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

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Re: GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

Postby dhabums » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:47 pm

Rudypoo wrote:
Mondi wrote:I think these first three games have show that Vancouver really misses Ryan Kesler and Christian Erhoff.
But the dynamic skating and speed through the neutral zone (particularly on the PP) is missing without those two players.


Meh, offense hasn't been the problem.

Also, I would give Luongo more credit for that Jagr save if he hadn't put himself in such a poor position by failing to cover the puck in the first place. A save is a save for sure, but he has way too many of those "hot potatoe" moments that end up in the back of the net.


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Re: GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

Postby T-BONE » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:48 pm

That was an ugly (though entertaining) game. Poor start, poor PK, poor defensive coverage, and average goaltending cost us in my opinion. The pp had the chances to tie the game but its not like they were terrible. 2 goals and some great chances as well. Im not that worried about the PP.

My concerns early in the season are the PK, defensive zone coverage, and Luongo (what else is new). Special teams always take a bit to get going some I'm sure they'll get it sorted out. The coverage in our own zone however has been surprisingly poor. You don't give up the least goals in the regular season by chance so we know they are capable of much better. Hopefully they get it together.

And as for Lu, well, either his confidence is shot (which is bad) or this is his usual slow October start (which is a pain in the ass). 5 goals against on 27 shots is not good. And even though the winning goal wasn't a softie, its a save he just has to make. The team had clawed their way back despite a poor outing and its all for nothing as a minute later, they score on what was essentially the Flyers only legit scoring chance of the period (only one I remember anyway).

Frustrating outcome, hopefully a better 60 minute effort tomorrow.
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Re: GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

Postby Rudypoo » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:49 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:I really didn't like that game. Watching it was like having sandpaper rubbed over my eye balls.



Re-watching Game 7, were you?

I'll take this game over that one. :)

Hooray for looking on the bright side :|
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Re: GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

Postby Strangelove » Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:06 pm

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Strangelove wrote:Ahhh Bobby Clarke, Canadian icon, we'd have the Cup by now if we hired him instead of Gillis.


You mean Bobby Clarke, the guy who built the team that finished dead last in 2007? That Bobby Clarke?

Well, at least we'd have Steve Bernier locked up! :lol:


Now what kind of a punk would take such a weak cheapshot at the legendary Bobby Clarke??

Speaking of serving up a stinker, well the Flyers & Canucks certainly did tonight.

Dank - Hank - Bank
Higgs - Hods - Hans

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Re: GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

Postby Strangelove » Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:09 pm

dbr wrote:If we were going to pull the goalie the minute the penalty expired, I don't understand why we didn't pull him earlier in order to get a two man advantage?


Agreed Dave, I was hoping AV would pull Lou during that PP.

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Re: GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

Postby dbr » Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:18 pm

Why you? I'm already in the organization. :P
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Re: GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

Postby coco_canuck » Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:02 pm

Another poor performance by the team.

The top line, Higgins and Hodgson were the only good forwards on the ice. I'm pleasantly surprised with Hodgson's improving play.

Luongo with another poor performance. He should have had the 3rd goal and could have saved a couple of others. Seems par for the course in early October. Thankfully we have Corey to limit his October starts.

So now Ballard is getting even less ice-time than he was last year.

Sturm has been shit so far, looking nothing like the player he used to be.

When Kesler gets back I'd like to see this forward group:

Daniel-Henrik-Burrows
Hansen-Kesler-Samuelsson
Higgins-Hodgson-Lapierre
Weise-Malhotra-Patti/Sturm/Ebbett

Lappy has been pretty solid so far and he has experience playing on the wing. He can help bring some speed, physicality, defensive ability and another good face-off man for the 3rd line.

When Raymond comes back, Lappy can shift back to the 4th line alongside Manny. This of course depends on how well Cody can play in a 3rd line role, but with a couple strong 2-way wingers it may be ok, and the 4th will also be strengthened.

Hopefully the Canucks have their legs back and are developing a better feel for the game, because they'll get eaten alive in Detroit if they take to the second half to get their legs going.
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Re: GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

Postby Meds » Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:10 pm

The positive first.....you know, because I'm such an optimistic kind of guy.....

Our powerplay was terrific. The Sedins are starting the season off in great form and are a continual threat.

Hodgson. I really liked what I saw from him tonight. He's skating faster and with more strength this year, he's got great vision and some really deft hands, he's shooting and getting it through to the net, and creating openings in the defense with his puck control, unfortunately he needs a couple of linemates that read his freestyle thinking more intuitively, Higgins is a smart player and I'm sure he'll gel with CoHo given a bit more time. I also was encouraged by the report that he may move to the wing and showed him practicing with Kesler (I think that's what I saw, PVR was jumping around alot tonight and that was one of the times).

Our forecheck was solid, we forced some good turnovers and made Philadelphia scramble a fair bit.

Our offense in general was good, if not for several posts and a crossbar (I think) that game has a different outcome, even allowing for the post that bailed us out at one point. Philly came in having allowed only a single goal so far this year, we potted 4 on a night where we really weren't at our best, and only showed up for around 20 minutes all told. This team can score, and they can do it almost at will when they get going.

Now for the less than positive.....

Our defensive coverage, not terrible, but not exactly rock solid.

Our PK, average at best.

Our coach, Luongo should have been done on the 4th goal. We battled to within one 3 times, and he couldn't close the door, we even tied it, and he gave up the winning goal less than a minute later. Even giving him a bye on the first and second goals, it was obvious the way this one started that it was not going to be Roberto's night in net. Call a spade a spade and quit giving up 2 points because you want to give your prize stallion a chance at redeeming himself.

Goaltending. Easily the worst part about this game. What has everyone been talking about in regards to Luongo of late? His ability to lock it down for the team when they need him to make "that save" to steal the game.....or at least give them the chance to snag a point. He couldn't do it. Granted there were 2 great shots that beat him tonight, but hey, the great goalies (you know the one's making $10M a year) find a way to stop at least one of those. He looked average on every goal tonight. Why he's doing this lay down and take away the bottom of the ice almost every time the puck gets in close is a mystery because it's not working. He doesn't move side to side with any kind of purpose or urgency. He makes terrible decisions with the puck (nothing new here). He's playing deep in his net but dropping into a butterfly that is more appropriate for a goalie who is playing a foot out in front of his crease and pucks are sneaking by him towards the low corners (fortunately tonight they all just missed). It was just pathetic to watch again tonight.

The positive does out-weigh the negative tonight though, even in the face of losing a game where had we put Schneider in after the 3rd goal we probably would have walked away with 2 points. Our team showed no sense of panic, we controlled the play when we wanted to. I'd also like to mention that Ballard played a better than average game, and his skating and willingness and ability to rush the puck and push the play through the neutral zone is really nice to see, hopefully he can get settled into a role that doesn't have him in AV's bad books. His defensive zone coverage was a bit loose tonight, but so was most of the team's.
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Re: GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

Postby Meds » Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:16 pm

coco_canuck wrote:When Kesler gets back I'd like to see this forward group:

Daniel-Henrik-Burrows
Hansen-Kesler-Samuelsson
Higgins-Hodgson-Lapierre
Weise-Malhotra-Patti/Sturm/Ebbett



I dunno Coco, I think I'd prefer.....

Dank-Hank-Bur
Higgins-Kesler-Hodgson
Hansen-Malhotra/Lap-Samuelsson
Weise/Sturm-Malhotra/Lap-Patti/Ebbet

Slot Raymond in on the 3rd/4th when he comes back and make him earn his minutes.

I think our second line would really benefit from Hodgson's creativity and puck control. Kesler and Higgins would be demons going to the net and filling the lanes with this guy feeding them the puck. If Hodson can play wing and find chemistry with Kesler, #17 could find himself scoring 45-50 goals (pro-rated to games played obviously). I really think Hodgson would be wasted on the 3rd line trying to setup guys that don't read the offensive zone the way Higgins and Kesler do, and have poor finish and need multiple chances like Hansen does.
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Re: GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

Postby coco_canuck » Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:44 pm

Meds wrote:I think our second line would really benefit from Hodgson's creativity and puck control. Kesler and Higgins would be demons going to the net and filling the lanes with this guy feeding them the puck. If Hodson can play wing and find chemistry with Kesler, #17 could find himself scoring 45-50 goals (pro-rated to games played obviously). I really think Hodgson would be wasted on the 3rd line trying to setup guys that don't read the offensive zone the way Higgins and Kesler do, and have poor finish and need multiple chances like Hansen does.


Samuelsson is terrible in a 3rd line role and I'm not the least bit sold on Hodgson playing the wing...at least not yet. I can definitely see Higgins playing with Kesler, but I'm not sure about Cody playing the wing, battling on the forecheck and in deep on a consistent basis. It's not easy transitioning to a playmaking role on the wing, especially on a line where Kesler dominates the puck.

Hansen is a guy who is a tremendous forechecker with sound passing skills who can open up the ice and set up Kes more than Cody can on the wing at this point. His finish has been lacking, but with Kes and Sammy both being shooters, it's not bad having a capable pass-first winger with them.

Raymond will likely start out on the 4th line to ease him in, but he'll be on the 3rd line, where I see him playing for the most part when he gets back.
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Re: GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

Postby LotusBlossom » Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:45 pm

I was coaching so I didn't get to watch the game, but heard it as I was driving home on the radio and dinner with my in-laws. We were all curious.

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Re: GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

Postby Per » Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:06 am

dbr wrote:If we were going to pull the goalie the minute the penalty expired, I don't understand why we didn't pull him earlier in order to get a two man advantage?

I agree, but can't help but wonder if the no icing when short handed rule could have something to do with it?

During the penalty, if they lift the puck out they can chase after it and score on a rebound from the boards.
Try the same when equal strength and it's an icing and face off in their own end.
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Re: GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

Postby Meds » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:57 am

Per wrote:
dbr wrote:If we were going to pull the goalie the minute the penalty expired, I don't understand why we didn't pull him earlier in order to get a two man advantage?

I agree, but can't help but wonder if the no icing when short handed rule could have something to do with it?

During the penalty, if they lift the puck out they can chase after it and score on a rebound from the boards.
Try the same when equal strength and it's an icing and face off in their own end.


Except for the fact that if they are trying to score on a rebound from the rear boards they have to get to the puck first.....at even strength that would negate the icing.

Unless this was game where they played with that sissy Euro no touch.....ooooohhhh.....nevermind.....

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Re: GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

Postby ukcanuck » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:56 am

coco_canuck wrote:
So now Ballard is getting even less ice-time than he was last year.




I dont like the sound of this comment, hopefully this isnt the begining of the same problem last year...





Мне не нравится звук этого комментария, мы надеемся, это не является началом той же проблемы в прошлом году .
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Re: GDT: Oct 12 - Canucks at Flyers - 4:30 PM - TSN, RIS

Postby Rayxor » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:57 am

Meds wrote:Our coach, Luongo should have been done on the 4th goal. We battled to within one 3 times, and he couldn't close the door, we even tied it, and he gave up the winning goal less than a minute later. Even giving him a bye on the first and second goals, it was obvious the way this one started that it was not going to be Roberto's night in net. Call a spade a spade and quit giving up 2 points because you want to give your prize stallion a chance at redeeming himself.

I'm with ya here. It seems he either is good all game long or not. Once he starts looking mediocre, he doesnt seem to finish strong. He needs to be on a short leash since keeping him in on a bad night has never shown to be the appropriate decision. Pull him after 4 rather than keep him in for 7 and have a media field day with it. If you are worried about how it affects him psychologically, remember that it also affects the other players as well.
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