dhabums wrote: darren wrote:
dhabums wrote:Fighting majors do not result in a PP. I've heard and read today people claiming "it was a close game so nothing could be done". WTH does that even mean? (This is where someone should make a pointless reference to the instigator penalty, as if it is relevant.)
Unfortunately, I'm not quite smart enough to follow your reasoning here. Perhaps you can assist. Why is the instigator penalty irrelevant? Both Bieksa and Volpatti seemed to think it was quite relevant.
To make this clear, let's go to the far left. Would you be ok with the Sedins getting run and injured nightly without a response but a PP? If yes, you can stop reading. If no, when do you respond? If the exact same thing happens tomorrow night and it's 5 minutes into the 2nd period do we cower under the threat of a POSSIBLE 2 minute PK? I mean it's 1-1 and we don't want a penalty? Or if Methot does the exact same thing next game in the 3rd period? When is it ok? I am curious. Do you ever say "ok, now it's time to do something." If yes, we clearly agree on what should be done, we just disagree on when.
Look, there are 29 other teams that would like to beat us. They are going to play the Sedins physically, if they don't then they aren't doing their job. The thought of a knuckle sandwich isn't going to deter them.
I don't think that "doing something" or "responding" (other than scoring on the PP) will have any deterrent effect whatsoever. It makes the fans feel better, but that's it.
As for the instigator penalty, I suspect it is more likely when the fight appears to be premeditated and targeted at a particular player for something that happened earlier in the game, rather than a spur of the moment kind of thing.
edit: And here is what some guy named Daniel Sedin has to say on the matter. I'm not sure who he is...perhaps he's never played competitive hockey either?
“There’s always been that kind of talk: we’re European, we need protection,” Daniel said before the Canucks travelled here for today’s game against the Edmonton Oilers. “I’ve never really understood that. I really don’t understand what they’re talking about. For us, we can take a hit. That hit against Hank [in Columbus on Monday], that’s going to happen in a game. Why do we need guys to step in there and fight him right away? We’re going on the power play and have a chance to score. That’s how you win games. We’re fine getting hit. It’s hockey, not some other sport.”
And some guy named Henrik, who doesn't understand the rules of the NHL obviously.
“Teams go after me and Danny the way they go after Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry [in Anaheim] or anyone else like that. The hit in Columbus was not a big deal. We had guys asking their guys to fight, and they said no. That’s fine. I was really proud that the guys didn’t go after [Methot] and take a penalty which would have cancelled our power play.”
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Sedi ... z1aqt6JlHi