The primary goal of this site is to provide mature, meaningful discussion about the Vancouver Canucks. However, we all need a break some time so this forum is basically for anything off-topic, off the wall, or to just get something off your chest! This forum is named after poster Creeper, who passed away in July of 2011 and was a long time member of the Canucks message board community.
Gregor is just part of the problem. Add in Jim Chu, Penny Ballem, and the rest of Vision Vancouver. Gregor is a puppet, he has no power, he does what he is told. Penny Ballem is micromanaging every aspect of the CoV, look at the fantastic results! I think Jim Chu's more or less a good chief, but he didn't get enough funding support from the CoV, and for some reason he's covering for them.
Don't expect anything brilliant to come out of Furlong's report.. he's just as much of a joke as Gregor, Ballem and Vision!
Ah Pete - was it not the Mayor who invited everyone to downtown to gather like it was the Olympics?
The question that needs to be answered is what plan did they have in place to deal with 100,000 people? I also want to know why they were surprised by the riot when EVERYONE else knew that it was just 1 idiot away from going crazy.
I didn't expect the riot was going to happen, well that is not true, I didn't believe that it could happen again. The Mayor and Police Chief are paid to look at it from all sides and have plans in place.
The Mayor is required to know what is going on. For sure but he is also advised by a slew of people and he has to trust that the underlings are capable. If he proves to have a bunch of useless underlings then yeah turf him.
In this case the VPD who had a freaking report from the last hockey related riot and didn't even use it let alone change strategy is the target. If the Mayor's people told them to be prepared and they were not then it's a bigger cluster-f*ck.
I just don't think taking the top guy down when there were plenty of mistakes made along the way works. If all the mistakes point to the Robertson and his people being clueless then can his ass. However, just canning him for being the top guy is not reason enough IMO.
Brick Top: Do you know what "nemesis" means? A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an 'orrible cunt... me.
No vpete, as far as I know it was up to the city to hand over the budget to add more than the usual police needed and it was declined. I have no problem with the mayor doing what he did to have a party ( I mean how long has it been we've wanted to boot kick the "no fun city"), however, he should have read the old report and given the proper budget for extra cops.
Vpete wrote:The riots are not Roberston's fault. Blame the cops, blame the chief and blame CBC for encouraging thousands of people to gather in one place.
The CBC??? It was Gregor Robertson who encouraged this "party". He's the guy who put up all the screens and made it happen. He's also the guy who cut funding for security and instead thought it was better to upgrade the screens instead. He deserves the blame he's getting. From what I heard, the rule of thumb when it comes to large gatherings is 1,000 cops per every 100,000 civilians....estimates are there were only about 400 cops on the ground that night. What bugs me is this hot potato game Gregor is playing w/ the police and no one will take any responsibility or explain what really happened. Deny, deny, deny.
Have talked to former cops, was on the Bill Good show (live in studio as a guest) about the riot the day after it happened and the consensus is putting the blame squarely on Gregor and Vision. Lack of funding to provide the proper security are all on the shoulders of the city council.
There were families present and with the lack of the security that should have been there to man the big crowd, they were put in a dangerous situation.
Sorry, his nice smile, good looks and charm aren't going to weasel him out of this one.
I don't always agree with everything Pratt says, but this is pretty bang on.
Ah Pratt. Banging the same tired old drum as always. Who's the real joke...a so-called journalist who was canned from his job for cheating, or a successful businessman and now mayor of a major city who is trying to make Vancouver into a better city? Pretty obvious if you ask me. But really, can't judge Pratt too harshly. He's just trying to keep his current job by pandering to the angry-white-male-with-oversized-pickup demographic. Too bad for him that In order to do so he has to make himself look like an ignorant schmuck.
What's with the thin skin Robert? You missed my point. Which was that there is an identifiable group of people, typically white males who like to drive Dodge Rams etc (and I never said there was anything wrong with that so chill) that Pratt is trying to stir up with his endless whining about the mayor, bike lanes etc because he knows it gets him easy points. I've been in my car downtown when Pratt was on the radio saying that bike activists were #%^ing up traffic right then and guess what...they weren't. In other words he was lying. He's pretty careless with the truth which makes him not very believable. He has yet to learn how that works.
And I actually like listening to Pratt when he talks about sports. I just think he should give up trying to be a political commentator because he's not very good at it.
Hmm the empty bike lanes, in a city that rains 3/4 of the year...
I'm all for finding better alternative forms of transit to help the environment, but when they aren't being used, and are causing congestion of cars idling in the core, where is the benefit? Get rid of them and give them a strip of street like they do in Toronto. Most that use the bike lanes are couriers anyway and for the most part have done fine without them in the past.