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Strangelove wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:22 pm
Per wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:08 pm Fascism typically starts out with attacking the free press and questioning the legality of elections.
History has a weird way of repeating itself. It’s uncanny.
Fascism typically gains control of the media by hook or by crook and stealing elections.
Well, sure, but that is step two, after they have secured power.

Fortunately, the SCOTUS made sure that it failed this time. :thumbs:
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Anyway, I gather that Dominion Voting Systems is not Venezuelan at all, but actually a Canadian company.

So when they win and Rudy has to cough up that cool 1.3 billion, I assume a large chunk may end up north of the 49th?

Cool! :thumbs:
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Per wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:41 am
Strangelove wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:22 pm
Per wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:08 pm Fascism typically starts out with attacking the free press and questioning the legality of elections.
History has a weird way of repeating itself. It’s uncanny.
Fascism typically gains control of the media by hook or by crook and stealing elections.
Well, sure, but that is step two, after they have secured power.
Typically sure.

But this time they reversed those steps.

However, the fascists of America DO control the media and DID steal an election

... just like all fascists before them.

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I'd like to see her and Niki Haily do some films together, but this is ok for a talkie

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Benito Mussolini said that "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." When surveying modern events, along with events over the last century, is this not the major problem that we face today?


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Well said Rand, the Dims as "deranged" as it gets.


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Strangelove wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:29 pm TRUMP 2024 :towel:
Yeah, that's why Mitch McConnell hasn't been completely opposed to this impeachment, and also why he wanted to push the impeachment hearing into February.

He doesn't want Trump to run in 2024, he wants a traditional republican.

If Trump is convicted he can be blocked from running for political office.

Now, McConnell doesn't really want to do that, as it would piss off a great deal of the republican voter base, but he wants to have some sort of pressure on Trump to get some concessions from him and hopefully some sort of promise to not run. In the end it is highly unlikely that 17 republican senators will vote to convict Trump, but it puts Mitch in the driver's seat both when negotiating with Trump and the democrats. He can dangle a conviction as a bargaining chip to the democrats and as a threat to Trump. And mind you, if McConnell would decide to go for a conviction, I do think he could get the votes to do it. He holds a lot of sway among republican senators.

But he probably won't. He just wants to dangle the possibility in front of both democrats and the Trump team while getting concessions from them. The further down the line he could push the trial, the better, but the democrats want to get it over with, so mid February was a compromise. And in the end most republican senators will most likely aquit the man who incited a mob with torches and pitch forks to storm their workplace while shouting "hang Mike Pence!" It is what it is.
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Per wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:53 am
Strangelove wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:29 pm TRUMP 2024 :towel:
But he probably won't. He just wants to dangle the possibility in front of both democrats and the Trump team while getting concessions from them. The further down the line he could push the trial, the better, but the democrats want to get it over with, so mid February was a compromise. And in the end most republican senators will most likely aquit the man who incited a mob with torches and pitch forks to storm their workplace while shouting "hang Mike Pence!" It is what it is.
You're absolutely hilarious Per. I mean truly truly hilarious. There's not an ounce of objectivity in you.
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Per wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:53 am
Strangelove wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:29 pm TRUMP 2024 :towel:
Yeah, that's why Mitch McConnell hasn't been completely opposed to this impeachment, and also why he wanted to push the impeachment hearing into February.

He doesn't want Trump to run in 2024, he wants a traditional republican.

If Trump is convicted he can be blocked from running for political office.

Now, McConnell doesn't really want to do that, as it would piss off a great deal of the republican voter base, but he wants to have some sort of pressure on Trump to get some concessions from him and hopefully some sort of promise to not run.
I think we both know that's worth the paper it's written on.
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5thhorseman wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:06 am
Per wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:53 am
Strangelove wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:29 pm TRUMP 2024 :towel:
Yeah, that's why Mitch McConnell hasn't been completely opposed to this impeachment, and also why he wanted to push the impeachment hearing into February.

He doesn't want Trump to run in 2024, he wants a traditional republican.

If Trump is convicted he can be blocked from running for political office.

Now, McConnell doesn't really want to do that, as it would piss off a great deal of the republican voter base, but he wants to have some sort of pressure on Trump to get some concessions from him and hopefully some sort of promise to not run.
I think we both know that's not worth the paper it's written on.
Fixed for accuracy. :lol:
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Meds wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:43 am
Per wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:53 am
Strangelove wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:29 pm TRUMP 2024 :towel:
But he probably won't. He just wants to dangle the possibility in front of both democrats and the Trump team while getting concessions from them. The further down the line he could push the trial, the better, but the democrats want to get it over with, so mid February was a compromise. And in the end most republican senators will most likely aquit the man who incited a mob with torches and pitch forks to storm their workplace while shouting "hang Mike Pence!" It is what it is.
You're absolutely hilarious Per. I mean truly truly hilarious. There's not an ounce of objectivity in you.
Do you think they would have stormed the capitol if Trump had conceded? :eh:
It was his refusal to except the outcome of the election that caused this whole thing.

This is why the peaceful transfer of power is such an important part of democracy.
If the losers keep egging on their supporters and insist the election was stolen, democracy will be replaced by mob rule.

People need to respect the 60+ court verdicts, including the SCOTUS twice responding they did not see any reason to overturn any of the results.
And that is a Supreme Court with six conservative judges, three of whom were put there by Trump.
That's how obvious it is that there was no case at all to question the outcome.

It'll be interesting to see how the courts handle this.

U-Dub, you're a lawyer, right? How does it work in the USA?
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Meds wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:43 am
Per wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:53 am
Strangelove wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:29 pm TRUMP 2024 :towel:
But he probably won't. He just wants to dangle the possibility in front of both democrats and the Trump team while getting concessions from them. The further down the line he could push the trial, the better, but the democrats want to get it over with, so mid February was a compromise. And in the end most republican senators will most likely aquit the man who incited a mob with torches and pitch forks to storm their workplace while shouting "hang Mike Pence!" It is what it is.
You're absolutely hilarious Per. I mean truly truly hilarious. There's not an ounce of objectivity in you.
Objectivity? Did your spell-check short itself out trying to spell a word you never use?


There is no way any objective reasonable person would utter a word of support for Donald trump or any of his half baked ideas.

To do such a thing would require either greed, hate or fear as a motivating factor.

These are not objective emotions

In your case I think it’s greed. You know the economic system is crooked and unfair and does not reward merit. Yet you enthusiastically support said economic system that cares not if you or any other human being lives, dies, or suffers a short cruel existence in abject poverty. Lol You support that system and call yourself a fiscal conservative.

The mind boggles at length and breadth one would have to abandon objectivity to deny the pillars of conservatism are fucked.

Actually my mind used to boggle. That is until Doc delivered his dissertation on these pages. He has been brilliant in detailing the very fibres in the dog shit that is Donald trump. So brilliant it makes me suspicious that he believes not a word of it and is enjoying playing agent provocateur on this here hockey talk board

Unlike you, who swallowed the koolaid and appears to be enjoying wiping it off your chin like there was a camera in the room.

Objectivity? Tis to laugh 😆
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Per wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:34 am
Meds wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:43 am
Per wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:53 am
Strangelove wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:29 pm TRUMP 2024 :towel:
But he probably won't. He just wants to dangle the possibility in front of both democrats and the Trump team while getting concessions from them. The further down the line he could push the trial, the better, but the democrats want to get it over with, so mid February was a compromise. And in the end most republican senators will most likely aquit the man who incited a mob with torches and pitch forks to storm their workplace while shouting "hang Mike Pence!" It is what it is.
You're absolutely hilarious Per. I mean truly truly hilarious. There's not an ounce of objectivity in you.
Do you think they would have stormed the capitol if Trump had conceded? :eh:
It was his refusal to except the outcome of the election that caused this whole thing.

This is why the peaceful transfer of power is such an important part of democracy.
If the losers keep egging on their supporters and insist the election was stolen, democracy will be replaced by mob rule.

People need to respect the 60+ court verdicts, including the SCOTUS twice responding they did not see any reason to overturn any of the results.
And that is a Supreme Court with six conservative judges, three of whom were put there by Trump.
That's how obvious it is that there was no case at all to question the outcome.
For a guy so busy giving English grammar lessons in other threads you really should proof read your posts prior to clicking the submit button.

I'm sorry dude, regardless of whether Trump was willing to accept the outcome he did not incite anything close to insurrection or treasonous riots.

I say you lack objectivity because you completely ignore the fact that multiple Democratic Party politicians in various stations of power said far far worse over the last 12-18 months. You happily ignore the fact that the Democratic Party supporters (and some members) broke the law multiple times and walked away free and clear. You talk about accepting election results? What about the Steele dossier? A false document paid for by the Democratic National Committee. What about Pelosi encouraging riots and protests?

All you fixate on is Trump's tweets and refusal to accept an election that any truly objective person would have to question, at least on the surface, based on the voter statistics alone.

Despite the global mainstream media reporting, and social media's censorship, doing everything they possibly could to turn Trump into a villain for over 4 years he still managed to score 74 million votes. That should be telling to anyone who actually DOES NOT LIVE IN THE COUNTRY IN QUESTION and has to get all of their information from the reporting sources.

Anyways. Carry on being a "free thinking" mass media puppet.
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Meds wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:04 am
All you fixate on is Trump's tweets and refusal to accept an election that any truly objective person would have to question, at least on the surface, based on the voter statistics alone.
Nope. Not a single objective person is questioning the outcome. Only partisans rooting for the losing side.

The losers went to court more than 60 times and every single time failed to produce any evidence what-so-ever of voter fraud or manipulation.
Even the SCOTUS weighed in twice and said they had no reason to question any of the results, based on the evidence.

Several international organisations had observers present during the election and not a single one saw anything that seemed like organised manipulation of the results.

The head of cyber security, appointed by Trump, said this was one of the safest elections ever. There were no successful hacking attempts.

Objectively this was one of the best controlled and least questionable elections of all time in the USA.

Nixon's loss to Kennedy and Gore's loss to Bush contained elements of tampering, but they both chose to concede in the end.
In Gore's case not until after the Supreme Court stopped the recount, but after that, he did.



Meds wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:04 am he still managed to score 74 million votes. That should be telling to anyone
Sure, and the other guy got 81 million, in a country that tends to be split roughly 50-50 between dems and republicans.

That should also be very telling. :drink:
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