US Erection 12 *AND* 16

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Island Nucklehead » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:26 pm

How many of those minors were accompanied across the border?

(linked through your article) https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... /10798643/
The group was part of the recent surge of unaccompanied minors who are streaming into this hot, flat stretch of South Texas, overwhelming Border Patrol facilities and sparking heated debate in Washington over what's causing the crisis and how to handle it.
Some lawmakers, however, argue the youths – and the smuggling rings bringing them in – are exploiting U.S. policy, which allows youngsters from Central American countries other than Mexico to be released to an adult living in the USA while awaiting their court hearing.

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Nice case of "whataboutism".
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Parents who break the law tend to get separated from their children, see my Reefer + wife scenario...
Not those entering Canada illegally. In almost all cases they are detained WITH their children.

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:38 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
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Not those entering Canada illegally. In almost all cases they are detained WITH their children.
American laws are different... and btw Lord Trump is merely enforcing existing laws.

I was responding to Corn, he said "separating families"

- under Obama they often let the moms remain with the kids, but not the dads = "separating families"

"almost all cases" - So Canada does it in some cases.

America's immigration problems are a bazillion times worse than those of Canada...
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Island Nucklehead » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:48 pm

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Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:38 pm
"almost all cases" - So Canada does it in some cases.
Apparently (from in the CBC article you quoted) 6% of those youth detained in Canada are held unaccompanied. Do you think the ratio is similar to the US? You should compare apples to apples, not apples to (son-of orange-haired) Orangutans.

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:49 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:48 pm
Strangelove wrote:
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"almost all cases" - So Canada does it in some cases.
Apparently (from in the CBC article you quoted) 6% of those youth detained in Canada are held unaccompanied. Do you think the ratio is similar to the US? You should compare apples to apples, not apples to (son-of orange-haired) Orangutans.
As I said, the law is different in America...
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:50 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:26 pm
(linked through your article) https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... /10798643/
The group was part of the recent surge of unaccompanied minors
Article also says "Border agents caught almost 25,000 unaccompanied minors in fiscal year 2013".

(the year before the surge)

Yes it surged to 47,000 the next fiscal year, but the more-usual 25,000 is still a lot of kids held in detention, separated from their parents

... under Obama.
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Island Nucklehead » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:01 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:50 pm
Island Nucklehead wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:26 pm
(linked through your article) https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... /10798643/
The group was part of the recent surge of unaccompanied minors
Article also says "Border agents caught almost 25,000 unaccompanied minors in fiscal year 2013".

(the year before the surge)

Yes it surged to 47,000 the next fiscal year, but the more-usual 25,000 is still a lot of kids held in detention, separated from their parents

... under Obama.
Difficult to separate children from their parents if the child arrives without the parents.

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:13 pm

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Trump backs down.
That's weird, Per was implying gas chambers were the next step...
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:42 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:13 pm
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Trump backs down.
That's weird, Per was implying gas chambers were the next step...
Considering how much he admires the North Korean dictator, who apart from running death camps also has had several family members executed, it doesn't seem far fetched. :|

http://fortune.com/2018/06/15/trump-kim ... x-friends/

And he has expressed sympathy for nazis, claiming that there are good people among them. :crazy:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/don ... mpathizer/

But it's nice that he backed down. I mean, being criticized by the UN, the EU, leading democrats and republicans, the pope, most of the media - that's pretty much business as usual for him, but when not only Laura Bush, but also Melania and Ivanka (who he would date if she wasn't his daughter*) turned against him, he finally caved.

Also, the separation was never required by law. It was just a policy decision, which is why he himself could stop it without any need for congress to do anything.


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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:02 pm

Per wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:42 pm
Also, the separation was never required by law. It was just a policy decision, which is why he himself could stop it without any need for congress to do anything.
Lord Trump had to separate families to effectively enforce the law as it is spelled out.

Congress failed to perma-fix this so Lord trump issued this EO as a stopgap.

Congress still needs to deal with this as the Supreme Court could toss the EO.

What happens going forward when it is proven that some of these "parents" are in reality human traffickers?

(happens all the time, but now they'll be locking them up with the kids)

Also I think children in these situations can only legally be detained for 20 days, so what happens after 20 days?

Congress is dysfunctional these days, which is why EOs are more and more common (I believe Obama set a new record).
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Cornuck » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:07 pm

Nice work Doc- you almost got through a whole post without mentioning Obama! :D

So TOPOS starts a policy > causes grief > doubles down on it > creates chaos > and then "solves" it with an EO - what a clown.
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:11 pm

Lord Trump was making a point, trying to get Congress to act.

I suppose now he knows that's an impossible task in this day and age.

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Cornuck » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:05 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:11 pm
Lord Trump was making a point, trying to get Congress to act.

I suppose now he knows that's an impossible task in this day and age.

Obama.
Using children as pawns - I guess since his own kid is separated from him, he doesn't think it's a big deal.

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Cornuck » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:12 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:11 pm
Lord Trump was making a point, trying to get Congress to act.
LOL - so "which" point was TOPOS trying to make? :D
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Topper » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:30 pm

Just as Obama said when he was locking up illegal immigrant children. Congress should act on immigration.
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