griz wrote:
Do you believe that chemtrails aren't real?
It's water vapour that forms when hot air from the jet engines mixes with the surrounding cold air.
Nothing dangerous or sinister about it. Just an example of the laws of physics.
Experts on atmospheric phenomena say chemtrails do not exist, and that the characteristics attributed to them are simply features of contrails responding differently in diverse conditions in terms of the sunlight, temperature, horizontal and vertical wind shear, and humidity levels present at the aircraft's altitude. In the US, the gridlike nature of the National Airspace System's flight lanes tends to cause crosshatched contrails, and in general it is hard to discern from the ground whether overlapping contrails are at similar altitudes or not. The jointly published fact sheet produced by NASA, the EPA, the FAA, and NOAA in 2000 in response to alarms over chemtrails details the science of contrail formation, and outlines both the known and potential impacts contrails have on temperature and climate.[18] The USAF produced a fact sheet as well that described these contrail phenomena as observed and analyzed since at least 1953. It also rebutted chemtrail theories more directly by identifying the theories as a hoax and disproving the existence of chemtrails.
Patrick Minnis, an atmospheric scientist with NASA's Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia, is quoted in USA Today as saying that logic does not dissuade most chemtrail proponents: "If you try to pin these people down and refute things, it's, 'Well, you're just part of the conspiracy'," he said.
Analysis of the use of commercial aircraft tracks for climate engineering has shown them to be generally unsuitable.
Astronomer Bob Berman has characterized the chemtrail conspiracy theory as a classic example of failure to apply Occam's razor, writing in 2009 that instead of adopting the long-established "simple solution" that the trails consist of frozen water vapour, "the conspiracy web sites think the phenomenon started only a decade ago and involves an evil scheme in which 40,000 commercial pilots and air traffic controllers are in on the plot to poison their own children."
I think one of the main reasons we see a backlash against the liberal ideals of the enlightenment, and people actually reverting back to narrow-minded nationalism and protectionism is because many people suffer from the delusion that things are getting worse, even though objectively things are better than they have ever been, and still improving.
Sure, if you happen to be working in eg coal mining, prospects do look slim. It's a dying industry that is being replaced by better options, but this us nothing new. There are lots of trades and professions that have disappeared over time as society changes. We are going through a period of major technology shifts, so those who are stuck in obsolete trades need to adapt and move to fields with greater opportunities.
The general trend though is that almost everything is getting better. We live longer, with a better living standard, we are better educated than ever before, poverty and child mortality has never been lower, literacy never higher.
Eventhough Syria is a mess right now, the number of armed conflicts and the number of people killed in armed conflicts has fallen over the centuries and is at an all time low.
This is a golden age, but most people have no clue to this and actually think things used to be better. It's weird.
BurningBeard wrote:How much Thiomersal have you ingested to hold these views?
Which views are you at odds with BB?
Seeing the words "Alex Jones" and "he often does get things right which history has proven" so close together gave me more autism then Thiomersal ever will.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 1:41 pm
by Ronning's Ghost
Per wrote:The general trend though is that almost everything is getting better. We live longer, with a better living standard, we are better educated than ever before, poverty and child mortality has never been lower, literacy never higher.
Eventhough Syria is a mess right now, the number of armed conflicts and the number of people killed in armed conflicts has fallen over the centuries and is at an all time low.
This is a golden age, but most people have no clue to this and actually think things used to be better. It's weird.
On a global level, you are right, but it depends which "we" you are talking about. For a North American working class white male (in general -- not just coal miners), living standards and financial prospects were better forty years ago. What most of them fail to recognize is that this is a result of the the restructuring of the relationship between labour and capital and the general dissolution of the social contract in the Reagan/Thatcher/Mulroney years. Automation and the export of manufacturing to China haven't done them any favours, either.
Financial prospects for most mid-level white collar workers are also less good than earlier generations enjoyed. Office automation has removed an entire level of management, and there is much reduced demand for the generically educated, moderately bright person that used to fall into such roles. Some of these kinds of jobs, too, can be outsourced overseas, where a North American starvation wage is viewed as a princely rate of remuneration.
Some of this is about technological change, some is about globalization, but I think most is about the change in income distributions, and our acceptance of that. In this sense, I have sympathy for the motivations of some Trump voters, and their desire for a more insular American economy (and foreign policy), but their belief that a trumped-up carnival barker will protect their interests is sadly misplaced, and in any case the package of other deficiencies that it came with is too repugnant to accept.
@JulianAssange
Two lies in one screenshot: the butcher of Libya--Hillary Clinton--blames "Russian WikiLeaks" while sitting in front of #SheBringsPeace sign
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 6:25 am
by 2Fingers
Very true Doc, but put up a picture of Trump and you have nothing but lies, fake news, moronic tweets and all around pure BS.
Still can't believe the idiots down south voted him in.
He is good for the entertainment factor.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 7:26 am
by Cornuck
Poor Doc... shooting fish in a barrel, while ignoring the elephant (wearing the ill-fitted golf clothes) in the room.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 12:10 pm
by Strangelove
Butcher of Libya!!!
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 11:45 am
by Per
Once again confirmed that the alt right movement in the US is deeply intertwined with the European neo-nationalist extreme right and Putin's attempts to undermine western democracy; some of the alt right movers and shakers were the first to spread hacked e-mails from Macron in an attempt to help Marine LePen win the presidential election tomorrow. The actual hacking was probably done by Russians though.
Wow! The US truly has become a banana republic...
Wonder if he'll name Kushner new director of the FBI.
Bet Comey is now regretting he blocked Hillary from winning!
Even Lavrov can't believe the audacity of Trump firing Comey...
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Thu May 11, 2017 7:30 pm
by 2Fingers
If I'm a betting man I would bet Trump does not last another year.
What a complete an utter idiot.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Fri May 12, 2017 10:27 am
by damonberryman
Per wrote:I think one of the main reasons we see a backlash against the liberal ideals of the enlightenment, and people actually reverting back to narrow-minded nationalism and protectionism is because many people suffer from the delusion that things are getting worse, even though objectively things are better than they have ever been, and still improving.
Sure, if you happen to be working in eg coal mining, prospects do look slim. It's a dying industry that is being replaced by better options, but this us nothing new. There are lots of trades and professions that have disappeared over time as society changes. We are going through a period of major technology shifts, so those who are stuck in obsolete trades need to adapt and move to fields with greater opportunities.
The general trend though is that almost everything is getting better. We live longer, with a better living standard, we are better educated than ever before, poverty and child mortality has never been lower, literacy never higher.
Eventhough Syria is a mess right now, the number of armed conflicts and the number of people killed in armed conflicts has fallen over the centuries and is at an all time low.
This is a golden age, but most people have no clue to this and actually think things used to be better. It's weird.
I agree with much of this but I live in The Evil Empire and there is anger against SOMETHING. It seems the idea of being American is being challenged by globalization. A man cannot get by with just hard work in most cases. My Dad raised four of us as a welder for the first decade. Had a home and usually enough to eat. It is hard for folks who remember the 50's and 60's. There seemed to be so much more promise. It may be a golden age but for very few. The rest of us are being slowly processed into Vonnegut's Reeks and Recks or as McLuhan called it, a leisure class. There is plenty to watch and mainly enough to eat but American men feel ripped off. I suspect it is their dignity that they are pissed about. Nothing a good war won't fix eh?
@JulianAssange
