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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20

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Nothing empowers people to vote like a polarizing figure.

Donald Trump is that polarizing figure
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Even in 2018 there were 228 million eligible to vote as per the first link in your screenshot Strange. Here's that link again:

https://www2.census.gov/programs-survey ... ble01.xlsx

It's playing with numbers dividing all voter turnout by registered voters only, so it looks inflated.

Whoever wrote that is lying to deceive or an idiot. You're no better for posting it.
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Strangelove wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:24 pm Image

Nothing fishy going on right?
Yeah, nothing fishy going on, except Putin and the extreme far right trying to spread desinformation to make people auestion the validity of democratic elections.

As someone who works with numbers on a daily basis, I immediately spotted the red herring here.

They’re taking the voter registration numbers of 2018, a mid term election, that a lot of people don’t care about, then adjust it for the increase in population for the next two years, then present this as the estimated number of registered voters 2020... :roll:

If you have paid any attention this past year, you may have noticed that both sides have claimed this election to be the most important in our life time, and worked ferociously to get the vote out.

Thus voter registration in 2020 was a whole lot higher than the fake number presented in your post.

It’s all just part of Putin’s attempts to sow discord among the US public and weaken the nation.

You are lending yourself to being a useful idiot again, Doc. You shouldn’t do that.

You and I both know that the elections were legitimate. Foreign observers (OAS, OSCE, etc) have not detected anything questionable.

You and I both know that Biden won. Hugely. Or at least with slightly bigger margins than Trump in 2016.

The frivolous lawsuits by a sore loser doesn’t change anything.

It’s all good. :thumbs:
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One has to admit that it is exceedingly fishy to have 4 consecutive elections of sub 60% voter turnout and then suddenly clock in at 98.25% in an election that was forecast to be exceptionally close. Moreover, when the big bad Donald was leading handily in some key states there was a sudden uptick of votes for Biden.....and abracadabra Biden gets a landslide of votes to come from behind in these key states.....and voila, the voters line up to display an unprecedented turnout.

It's also worth noting that the overall average voter turnout in the past century has been around that 60% mark.
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Meds wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:41 am One has to admit that it is exceedingly fishy to have 4 consecutive elections of sub 60% voter turnout and then suddenly clock in at 98.25% in an election that was forecast to be exceptionally close. Moreover, when the big bad Donald was leading handily in some key states there was a sudden uptick of votes for Biden.....and abracadabra Biden gets a landslide of votes to come from behind in these key states.....and voila, the voters line up to display an unprecedented turnout.

It's also worth noting that the overall average voter turnout in the past century has been around that 60% mark.
Meds, read what I just wrote.

Voter turnout was nowhere near 98.25%! They are pulling your leg! Don't let them fool you!

Their "estimate" for registered voter is among the crappiest estimates I've ever seen, and I've been working with estimates for the past thirty years.... They take the actual number for 2018, a midterm election year that nobody cares about, so pretty low registration, then adjust it for population growth.... which has nothing to do with it! No correlation at all.
And so they get a fake estimate that they know is far too low. *

But that's the point!
They need to pretend that this number is lower than it is, because then, when they compare it with the voter turnout, it looks fishy.
Which is what they want.
Because they want to undermine the trust in representative democracy in the USA.
That's their agenda.

Both parties were trying to get the vote out, so actual voter registration (which we still have no number for as some states allow registration even on election day) was most likely at least 10-20% higher than in 2018.

That being said, voter turnout was pretty high this time. May even reach 80% when all is said and done, which would be phenomenal for the USA, but rather meh for a country where people care about democracy and the right to vote.

Our voter turnout in 2018 was 89.25, which was OK, but not quite there. You want it to be in the nineties. :hmmm:


As for the "Donald was leading handily, but then there was an uptick in Biden votes"... Yeah, we've been over that aleady.

Donald does really well in rural districts. Biden does really well in urban districts.
Rural districts tend to be smaller, and so they report their results early.

Thus everyone said even before hand that mostlikely Trump would get an early lead, and the question was then if he could hold on to it or if Biden would pass him as the night went on. As most polls had Biden as the winner, most thought that is what would happen.

The election got closer than most had expected though, so some of those states took a very long time before Biden passed Trump in the count.
But that's just a technicality. All votes were cast before the deadline. It is just a matter of what districts reporting in first.


*Also note that the "2020 Estimated Registered Voters" number is the only one that does not have a source. That is because they pulled it out of their ass.
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Lol! :D

I just realized those Russian trolls are even sneakier than I thought....

Let's look again, shall we...

OK, first they fabricate an "estimate" of registered voters, that they know is way too low. I mean, you just need to look at the 157 million + who registered to vote in 2016 to know that the 2020 number is impossible. I mean, we know that more people registered to vote in 2020 than ever before, so an "estimate" that is several millions lower than in 2016 is obviously not to be taken seriously. :roll:

Then look what they did next! They divide votes cast with their fabricated number to get their implausible 98.25% ... and then ... !

They do NOT compare it with the percentage of registered voters that voted in other years. Oh no.
They compare it with the percentage of ELIGIBLE voters that voted in the four previous elections... :lol:

So, to find a comparable number to those four, we need to divide the people who voted (roughly 152 million) with eligible voters (roughly 239 million).

That's 63.6%

So yeah, a slightly higher turnout than usual in the USA but not at all exceptional.

Compare eg to the 89.25% that voted in Sweden in 2018 or the 66% that voted in Canada in 2019.

Those Russians, eh? Image

And with all those sources listed, they almost make it look legit, right...? :look:

Effing trolls! Subverting democracy! :evil:
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^^ Yeah that's what I was saying in my post above, albeit possibly too briefly:
It's playing with numbers dividing all voter turnout by registered voters only, so it looks inflated.
Either use registered voter turnout vs all registered voters, or total voter turnout vs all eligible voters. You can't mix and match.
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Per wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:08 am Lol! :D

I just realized those Russian Fraser Valley trolls are even sneakier than I thought....
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Just because Doc posts big images, doesn't mean they're true. Doc is suffering from TDS and has it bad.

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Cornuck wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:53 am
Per wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:08 am Lol! :D

I just realized those Russian Fraser Valley trolls are even sneakier than I thought....
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Just because Doc posts big images, doesn't mean they're true. Doc is suffering from TDS and has it bad.

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The weird thing is he doesn’t seem to give a shit about politics in the province he lives in. :lol:
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Cornuck wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:53 am
Per wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:08 am Lol! :D

I just realized those Russian Fraser Valley trolls are even sneakier than I thought....
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Just because Doc posts big images, doesn't mean they're true. Doc is suffering from TDS and has it bad.
Maybe he needs an inspiring song?

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Per wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:33 am Maybe he needs an inspiring song intervention?
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Doyle Hargraves wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:04 am
Cornuck wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:53 am
Per wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:08 am Lol! :D

I just realized those Russian Fraser Valley trolls are even sneakier than I thought....
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Just because Doc posts big images, doesn't mean they're true. Doc is suffering from TDS and has it bad.

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The weird thing is he doesn’t seem to give a shit about politics in the province he lives in. :lol:
Doc is taking a pretty good beating in here lol

I smell a full page rebuttal coming as soon as he punts mrs woodbooger out this afternoon
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The Brown Wizard wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:00 am Doc is taking a pretty good beating in here lol

I smell a full page rebuttal coming as soon as he punts mrs woodbooger out this afternoon
Haha so true. It will certainly be a "major dump" lol.

He did manage to trap Meds in his web of lies though. Good luck Meds! I hope you don't mind being slowly digested. :D
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20

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Per wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:34 pm Yeah, nothing fishy going on, except Putin and the extreme far right trying to spread desinformation to make people auestion the validity of democratic elections.

It’s all just part of Putin’s attempts to sow discord among the US public and weaken the nation.
Poor Per and his Putin paranoia!

He usually has a typo about once every 3.5 years, but there's two in one sentence! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Per wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:08 am I just realized those Russian trolls are even sneakier than I thought....

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20

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Cornuck wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:53 am
Per wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:08 am Lol! :D

I just realized those Russian Fraser Valley trolls are even sneakier than I thought....
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You mean tis I who should receive credit for driving Per mad... not Putin? :wow:
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