US Erection 12 *AND* 16

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:35 am

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As for Sweden, I've never visited. But I like many of your hockey players and enjoyed your attempt to sack Paris in 815 or whenever that was. Thinking big!
Yeah, the sack of Paris...

In general the vikings that raided western Europe tended to be Danes or Norwegians while Swedish vikings usually headed for the Baltics and controlled the Russian waterways all the ways down to Constantinopel and evendid business with Baghdad. Borders weren't really set though, and large parts of southern Sweden were considered part of Denmark back then. Yet we know from finds of British coins and inscription on rune stones that quite a few Swedes were involved in the expeditions to England.

That being said, Frankish chronicles attest that the attack on Paris was lead by a viking called Ragnar. Traditionally many have attributed this to the legendary Ragnar Lodbrok, who supposedly was a Swedish king. There are many legends about him, but it has been hard to verify him as a historic person. His sons, Ivar the Boneless, Sigurd Snake-eye, White-shirt, Ubba and Björn Ironside are confirmed historical people though and three or four of them were part of The Great Heathen Army that wrecked havoc on the British isles and controlled large parts of it from 865 to 878 AD.

The sagas attribute this invasion to Ragnar's sons wanting to avenge Ragnar's death at the hand of the Northumbrian king Aella in 862 AD.
They supposedly captured Aella and performed "the blood eagle" on him, ie cut off the ribs on both sides of the spines and pulled out the lungs, so that they looked like wings that flap as the air goes in and out of them.

Anyway, Björn Ironside, who is a confirmed early Swedish king and who was the son of Ragnar Lodbrok, who may or not may be the Ragnar who sacked Paris, did actually try to sack Rome in 860 AD.
Unfortunately, there weren't really any big cities in Scandinavia, so Björn and his fleet mistook the city of Luna for Rome, and attacked and conquered it. As they were informed that this was not Rome, they were outraged, burnt the city to the ground and had all the people there either killed or sold as slaves. Heading back toward Spain, after having raided parts of Sicily and the North African coast, they ran into a Muslim armada that sank most of their ships. To boast moral they then conquered Pamplona on their way home.

Anyway, when it comes to thinking big, Carl XII, also attempted to invade Moscow as late as 1707-09. He failed. Then spent five years in Bender, in present Ukraine, negotiating with the Ottoman emperor to convince him to attack Russia together with the Swedish troops. Eventually the emperor declined, and the Swedish army had to fight its way back home to Sweden.
This was supposedly the origin of the Swedish meatballs, as a similar dish, köfte, is rather common in Turkish cuisine.
The Swedish soldiers also grew accustomed to coffee, tobacco and arrak during their extended stay in the Ottoman empire, and brought these habits home with them.

Which brings us to our biggest mistake of all time; the founding of Russia.

As mentioned earlier, Swedish vikings controlled the waterways of Russia, and a group of vikings from the Roslagen area, referred to as Rus, lead by a guy named Rurik, became rulers of first Novgorod and then Kiev as well. Over time the Rus controlled an increasing area, they assimilated with the local slavs, and their kingdom eventually became what we know as Russia. Damn, that one has really come back to bite us in the ass. :evil:
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by 5thhorseman » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:15 am

I didn't log on this morning expecting to learn the origin of Swedish meatballs :o

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:11 am

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I didn't log on this morning expecting to learn the origin of Swedish meatballs :o
Huh. Really? Well, you also learnt how to do the blood eagle on your enemies.
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by 5thhorseman » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:36 am

Per wrote:
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5thhorseman wrote:
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I didn't log on this morning expecting to learn the origin of Swedish meatballs :o
Huh. Really? Well, you also learnt how to do the blood eagle on your enemies.
I guess Dank had that one in his back pocket but didn't want to risk a major in a Stanley Cup final game.

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:25 pm

5thhorseman wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:36 am
Per wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:11 am
5thhorseman wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:15 am
I didn't log on this morning expecting to learn the origin of Swedish meatballs :o
Huh. Really? Well, you also learnt how to do the blood eagle on your enemies.
I guess Dank had that one in his back pocket but didn't want to risk a major in a Stanley Cup final game.
Yeah, it'd be hard to do without removing your gloves, and that's an automatic major, isn't it?
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:09 pm

Slightly more on topic. Trump's trade wars are getting costly for Americans:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnbrinkl ... trade-war/
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:23 pm

UWSaint wrote:
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Per wrote:
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Is it as simple as Colbert suggested the other night; “yeah, I’m not really happy with his racism, but… you know, lower taxes…”?
Because frankly, you know, that's how a lot of Germans felt back in 1933.
Yes, the Trump is Hitler meme. No better example of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Yeeeuuuup!

And ole Per has been at it for quite some time now, example:

http://www.canuckscorner.com/forums/vie ... 97#p307797

I concur with your diagnosis of Trump Derangement Syndrome...
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by RoyalDude » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:23 am

What most Americans don’t understand about the Electoral College Vote is that it’s a vestige of slavery. The reason it came to be

Don’t ya just love America

Let’s make it “white” again
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by micky107 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:00 am

RoyalDude wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:23 am
What most Americans don’t understand about the Electoral College Vote is that it’s a vestige of slavery. The reason it came to be

Don’t ya just love America

Let’s make it “white” again
And get rid of the red and blue? :shock:
Well, maybe the red. Not the BLUE for "God's sake. ;)
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Topper » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:18 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:23 am
What most Americans don’t understand about the Electoral College Vote is that it’s a vestige of slavery. The reason it came to be

Don’t ya just love America

Let’s make it “white” again
What most BC NDP/Greens who hate Trump fail to realize, the Electoral College is Proportional Representation that they crave so much.
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by RoyalDude » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:18 pm

I’m an NDP/Green?

News to me

Hey I love the Electoral College! Nothing like lonely old Hoss there down on his cotton farm out in the middle of nowhere in the Mississippis having more weight at the polls than the entire black population of an urban metropolitan city
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Topper » Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:01 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
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I’m an NDP/Green?
Did I say that?
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by RoyalDude » Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:46 pm

Topper wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:01 pm
RoyalDude wrote:
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I’m an NDP/Green?
Did I say that?
I don’t know what yer saying Hoss, I was waxing on about the beginnings of the electoral college vote then you slapped me with local yocal shite
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:17 am

Topper wrote:
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... the Electoral College is Proportional Representation ...
Uhm... no it's not. It differs from state to state. None, as I understand it, are truly proportional, some follow the congressional districts within the state but most are winner take all.
And their weight is not proportional to the population of each state either.
Southern states are given more weight than northerm states.

If the Electoral College had true proportional representation, it would mimic the popular vote, and Hillary Clinton would be president of the USA.

The way it is now, in theory, a candidate who won all the smallest states with a minimal majority, could reach the 270 elector votes necessary to become president with just 22% of the popular vote. (In reality this won't happen, because some tiny states are reliably republican and others are reliably democratic leaning).

The United States is the only country that elects a politically powerful president via an electoral college and the only one in which a candidate can become president without having obtained the highest number of votes in the sole or final round of popular voting.

Four million US citizens live in a "territory" (eg Guam, Samoa, Puerto Rico) rather than a state and have no say in the presidential election, as only states get to send representatives to the electoral college.
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:47 am

Well, the second unite the right march was a bit of a no-show, but Arnie's video re Charlottesville is still worth watching again:

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