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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Reefer2 » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:52 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:32 pm
5thhorseman wrote:
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Reefer2 wrote:
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I just said that Trump never answer a question, he reflects or crys fake news. Last week he said he was mis said something or misunderstood or what ever his excuse was.
Bit early in the day to be drinking, no?
Or maybe somebody just screwed his brains out. :mex:
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:24 am

Strangelove wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:27 pm
Island Nucklehead wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:00 am
Strangelove wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:01 am
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Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:03 am
You love the fact he drives people crazy.
True.
Time to change your handle to Moderator, MVP & Troll?
Liking the fact the Donald drives libs crazy is... "trolling"?? :crazy:

Are you crazy?!!
I assume a market liberal like Ronald Reagan must be spinning in his grave. :(

I mean, he put in a lot of effort in creating Nafta, and I'm sure he would have loved the TPP.
Then you have this buffoon come in and threaten to tear up the first, walks out on the second and then imposes steel and aluminum tariffs on neighbours and loyal allies to top it all off. Sheesh!

https://www.heritage.org/trade/report/t ... n-realized

Not to mention the whole Russia thing. Ronald took great pride in forcing the Evil Empire to it's knees.
He would have puked seeing how Donald betrays all that was sacred to him.

After WWII the US put a lot of effort and money into creating the world order we have today, a world order governed by institutions that make the world safe for democracy; the IMF, the WTO, Nato, the G7, the list goes on. And even if the EU wasn't created by the USA, it helped stabilize Europe and strengthened the institutions the US had created.

Now watch Donald tear into all these organisations that helped cement the USA as the world leader.
I can ser why Putin wants to get rid of them, they have helped push Russia to the periphery, but that a US president would try to demolish the cureent world order is absurd if not obscene.

Even more curious is how Donald demands that Japan and Germany invest more in their military so they can defend themselves. Did he never take a history class? Doesn't he know that the US specifically made these two countries dismantle their armies in order to make the world safe? The US also helped them rebuild their industries so that they would become prosperous, content and loyal allies. Does he really want to turn back the clock to the 1930's?

I mean, chosing to use the phrase "America First!", the slogan of the isolationists who wanted the US to stay out of WWII and cozy up to Adolf, in his campaign hints to this. At first I thought it might have just been a blunder, caused by his lack of knowledge of 20th century history, but the evidence mounts to it being a deliberate signal to those who think it was a mistake that the USA decided to defend democracy.

As I said, Ronald Reagan must be spinning in his grave. :|
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:48 am

Strangelove wrote:
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/97 ... ade-war-eu

MERKEL CAVES IN: Germany 'to offer to scrap EU tax on cars' in Trump victory
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/25/trump-w ... urope.html

Trump announces a ‘new phase’ in US-EU relationship, working toward ‘zero tariffs’

President Donald Trump on Wednesday announced that he had secured concessions from Europe, averting a potential trade war.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average popped Wednesday afternoon, rising more than half a percent on the news.
The Europeans agreed to lower industrial tariffs and import more U.S. soybeans.
https://www.hannity.com/media-room/chin ... s-tariffs/

CHINA CAVES: Beijing GIVES IN to Trump’s Demands, LOWERS Tariffs
Yeeeeup, this is how a President obtains better deals for his country!

BEST PRESIDENT EVER :towel:
Uhm, don't believe all the spin.

When it comes to the US-EU negotiations, he was kicking in open doors. The EU wants more free trade, as proven by them recently signing a free trade agreement with Japan, creating the largest free trade area in the world, not to mentioning negotiating free trade agreements with Mercosur and various other areas/countries.

The next move in the trade war he has created was supposed to be him levying tariffs on cars from the EU.
He backed down. That is the real story.

We are grateful that he did not insist on this madness, but equally grateful are the American auto makers and the US congress, that begged him to refrain from it.

The "promises" to buy more soy beans and natural gas are no real concessions. Due to the current drought it is feared that many dairy farmers will have to slaughter off their cattle because there won't be enough feed to last through the winter. Last I heard, you can use soy beans as cattle feed, so seems like a good idea to increase imports of that. As for natural gas, one of the main suppliers of that to central Europe is Russia. Less dependence on Putin as a supplier can never be a bad thing.

So basically, as he is prone to do in negotiations, Donny started out by shrieking insults and threats, then accepted what was on the table and claimed that he had won. As he always does. :roll:

Here's a great article by Fareed Zakariah:
https://www.arcamax.com/politics/fromth ... /s-2106730

Excerpt:
There are those who assert that Trump's seemingly bizarre and unpredictable behavior is actually all part of a canny and wise strategy, that he is playing a kind of four-dimensional chess, operating in space-time. Well, if so, he is getting beaten badly here on Earth. In none of these situations has he actually been able to extract real concessions. His usual approach is to announce something vague, as with North Korea and the trade talks with Europe, or something already in place, such as NATO members' promise to spend 2 percent of their GDP on defense by 2024, and claim it as a victory.

But there is a cost to this bluster and flip-flopping. Trump is creating a reputation for the United States as erratic, unpredictable, unreliable and fundamentally hostile to the global order. Leader after leader in Europe has made this clear. George Osborne told me that when he was Britain's finance minister, you knew "the United States president had your back." Neither Britain nor any other country can be sure of this anymore. As Donald Tusk, president of the European Council, put it, "With friends like that who needs enemies[?]... We [realize] that if you need a helping hand, you will find one at the end of your arm."

Economist Adam Posen argues that countries are now bypassing the United States and constructing a "post-American world economy." You can see this in the flurry of trade agreements that don't include the U.S., from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which was signed minus America, to the trade deal the EU just struck with Japan. Many others are in the works.
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:59 pm

Per wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:24 am
I assume a market liberal like Ronald Reagan must be spinning in his grave. :(
Per wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:24 am
As I said, Ronald Reagan must be spinning in his grave. :|
Per wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:48 am
Uhm, don't believe all the spin.
Thanks for directing us on which spin to swallow oh mighty King of Spin!

Uhm, Reagan dealt with the Russkies during the Cold War.

The way he dealt with them was to escalate the arms race.

And I don't think the lib nut-jobs would like that kind of attitude.

(given how they totally freaked out when DJT ignored Russia's threats and bombed the crap out of Syria)

But then, eventually, Reagan signed the INF Treaty.

And I don't think the lib nut-jobs would like that kind of attitude.

(given how they totally freaked out when DJT met with Putin and said he wants another)

I suppose what I'm saying is lib nut-jobs spin everything the man does as a negative.

I'm guessing the libs do this because of the fact they are nut-jobs.

Driven nuts purposely by DJT, as part of his reelection plan. #WALKAWAY

(in fact, they are positively spinning out of control!)

Speaking of DJT and his plans, you fail to see the big picture in regards to those "organizations, institutions, and agreements".

Perhaps if you hadn't been driven "nuts" (dude, your head is spinning) you'd be able to grasp dat dere. :mrgreen:
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by ukcanuck » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:02 pm

Doc I figure you’re man is the master of spin.

And he’s good at too, he’s got all then dusty poor white trash assholes thinking he’s a straight talker and he’s going to make merica great again !
Great for them!! Haha

But all he’s really doing is getting the bottom bitch to blow past her ho mileage.

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Post by Per » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:17 pm

So, the trial against Paul Manafort has started.
Let the games begin! :thumbs:

Now, where's my popcorn? 8-)
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Post by 5thhorseman » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:51 pm

Trial, conviction, then a pardon. Is there anything the Donald won't do?

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Post by Topper » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:52 am

The crimes Manafort is on trial for all allegedly occurred years before the election campaign and are not connected to the election. What Mueller is hoping for is a plea bargain so Manafort can testify against Trump.
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Post by Per » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:10 am

Topper wrote:
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The crimes Manafort is on trial for all allegedly occurred years before the election campaign and are not connected to the election. What Mueller is hoping for is a plea bargain so Manafort can testify against Trump.
That remains to be seen. Manafort was supporting Putin's marionette in the Ukraine.
Perhaps he did the same in the USA. :drink:
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Post by Per » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:31 am

Wow! I had no idea you need photo id to buy groceries in the USA.



But if Trump says it, I guess it must be true. :|
Why would he lie about something like that?
He is, after all, a very stable genius. :lol:

But how come?
Is there a shortage of food?
Are they rationing it? :eh:
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Post by Cornuck » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:53 am

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Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:31 am
Wow! I had no idea you need photo id to buy groceries in the USA.

But how come?
Is there a shortage of food?
Are they rationing it? :eh:
I think he slipped up, and with the coming dark ages, ID will be needed for everything.
(wish they would hurry up with the chip implants, though)
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Post by Reefer2 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:21 pm

He misspoke, he actually meant you do not need ID to buy groceries, but you should. I mean how else will you get rid of all the aliens.

Oh wait, it is fake news, he never said that.

Oh wait again, what about Hilary and her emails???

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Post by Per » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:35 pm

Cornuck wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:53 am
Per wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:31 am
Wow! I had no idea you need photo id to buy groceries in the USA.

But how come?
Is there a shortage of food?
Are they rationing it? :eh:
I think he slipped up, and with the coming dark ages, ID will be needed for everything.
(wish they would hurry up with the chip implants, though)
Oh, it's coming.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... hands.html
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Post by Reefer2 » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:48 am

I do not know what to say.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-accuse ... 05093.html

Seriously this guy has some mental issues.

He says the State of California is diverting water to the pacific ocean and that is why they are having wild fires. And still so many people would vote for this guy. WOW. No condolences to the families that lost a loved one but blame everyone else for the fires.

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Post by Per » Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:10 am

The Iran deal.
In 2015, Iran agreed a long-term deal on its nuclear programme with the P5+1 group of world powers - the US, UK, France, China, Russia and Germany.
It came after years of tension over Iran's alleged efforts to develop a nuclear weapon. Iran insisted that its nuclear programme was entirely peaceful, but the international community did not believe that.
Under the accord, Iran agreed to limit its sensitive nuclear activities and allow in international inspectors in return for the lifting of crippling economic sanctions.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655

Now as you notice, this is not a bilateral agreement between the USA and Iran. It is a multilateral agreement, with several signatories.

Trump has decided that the US withdraws from the treaty. All other signatories have said they will still honour the agreement. As they should. Pacta sunt servanda.
With reference to international agreements, "every treaty in force is binding upon the parties to it and must be performed by them in good faith."[2] Pacta sunt servanda is related to good faith, while pacta sunt servanda does not equate with good faith[clarification needed]. This entitles states to require that obligations be respected and to rely upon the obligations being respected. This good faith basis of treaties implies that a party to the treaty cannot invoke provisions of its municipal (domestic) law as justification for a failure to perform. However, with regards to the Vienna Convention and the UNIDROIT Principles it should be kept in mind that these are heavily influenced by civil law jurisdictions. To derive from these sources that pacta sunt servanda includes the principle of good faith is therefore incorrect.

The only limit to pacta sunt servanda are the peremptory norms of general international law, called jus cogens (compelling law). The legal principle clausula rebus sic stantibus, part of customary international law, also allows for treaty obligations to be unfulfilled due to a compelling change in circumstances.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacta_sunt_servanda

Now, the Iran deal includes the right of inspectors from the IAEA access to any site they deem suspicious in Iran, and if Iran should not fulfill it's end of the deal, sanctions automatically snap back in place.

The IAEA and all other signatories than the USA confirm that Iran is following the agreement, unlike North Korea that seems to continue its nuclear programme despite the nice chat they had with Donald, that made him cancel the joint military maneuvres between the US and South Korea.
Huge win for Kim. In fact, thet the US even agreed to a meeting was a huge win for Kim, who has been treated as a pariah by the rest of the world.

So why is the US pulling out? The simple answer seems to be that Trump wants to undo everything Obama did, and damn the consequences.
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