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How will you vote on the HST referendum (for BC folks only)

Poll ended at Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:44 am

YES to extinguish the HST
11
42%
NO to keep the HST
15
58%
 
Total votes : 26

HST

Postby ClamRussel » Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:44 am

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Re: HST

Postby Arachnid » Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:56 am

Whatsa matter with you Wetcoasters can't you just delete it like they did the BSCB? :cry:

Suck it up and pay your taxes or leave the Mighty Empire :evil:
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Re: HST

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:59 am

I haven't opened mine yet. Didn't Krusty Clark say we would get a rebate if it got voted in ? Or is that only for low income folks ?

I don 't mind the concept of HST but I didn't like the way it was introduced and I didn't like that many new items were being hit with both taxes when in the past they were exempt from the old GST tax.

Either way if it comes down to an either or of having HST or horrible income taxes (see NDP), I'd choose the HST. Heaven help us if the NDP gets back in power again, though I'm sure there might be the odd security guard who would like that.
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Re: HST

Postby ClamRussel » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:22 pm

No rebates Blob unless you're well below the poverty line, think GST rebates.

This isn't about "not wanting to pay taxes" Spidey. This is a TAX SHIFT. The fact you're now paying HST on all items previously PST exempt is the whole point Blob. Its all so corporations don't have to pay their share. Shift it onto the backs of consumers. The "theory" is they will pass the savings onto consumers but thats a big ball of spin from Colin Hansen. It will not happen and whens the last time you purchased anything made in BC anyways?

Don't believe the reduction promises down to 10% either because the system cannot support that. Even if they keep it there the money has to come from somewhere so expect increases elsewhere. Their budget is BROKEN if they keep it. Won't happen, just like Gordo's Last Stand on TV, where he promised the new income tax reduction.....then the Liberals canceled it a few weeks later....this 10% will not last. It will be back up to 12% and more realistically higher like 15% to make up for it.

I'm 100% in favour of getting rid of the old system and bringing in a VAT but not this one. They made back room deals, lied about it during their re-election campaign and then haven't stopped lying about it ever since. The stories keep changing but the lies remain. This referendum isn't even about the tax anymore as much as its about honour, integrity & respect.
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Re: HST

Postby woodhog » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:44 pm

ClamRussel wrote:
I'm 100% in favour of getting rid of the old system and bringing in a VAT but not this one. They made back room deals, lied about it during their re-election campaign and then haven't stopped lying about it ever since. The stories keep changing but the lies remain. This referendum isn't even about the tax anymore as much as its about honour, integrity & respect.


Exactly Clam. The way this tax was introduced right after an election where it wasn't even an issue is what burns me. Then they backtrack and reduce it to 10% and add bribes (temporary rebates) in an effort to sell it to the masses ... not mentioning the hundreds of items that were not taxed previously that would be taxed going forward. Also, the potentially confusing wording of the referendum question is insulting to all intelligent voters (even more of an insult to those not so intelligent or ESL voters).
The sneaky, dirty, underhanded methods used to introduce this tax and the methods used to try to keep it should not be rewarded with a no vote.
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Re: HST

Postby Topper » Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:00 pm

I love the HST!

I was tired of paying PST on inputs for my work. I had to build it into my charges, now I pay HST on my inputs, charge HST on my services and then claim back what I paid vs what I charged.

My clients get a break and I get a break.

The HST is administered by the Feds at the same time they admin the GST, PST costs the BC government $30-$35 million annually to administer. That money is now freed for other projects.
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Re: HST

Postby sk8er » Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:58 pm

I hate the way it was introduced, I hate the ongoing lies that they are playing on the TV every time you turn around and I have yet to see ANY saving coming into my house. as Clam says, this is a shift from the corporations paying their fair share to the everyday consumer (you and I) paying more on everything. Nothing is exempt. and if you think business is going to pass their savings on to you, I have a swamp that I would like to offer you for sale....
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Re: HST

Postby Topper » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:52 pm

There will not be a saving fro most with the HST, what there will be is a lag in increases.

Haven't any of you realized, taxes don't go down.
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Re: HST

Postby LotusBlossom » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:18 pm

woodhog wrote:
ClamRussel wrote:
I'm 100% in favour of getting rid of the old system and bringing in a VAT but not this one. They made back room deals, lied about it during their re-election campaign and then haven't stopped lying about it ever since. The stories keep changing but the lies remain. This referendum isn't even about the tax anymore as much as its about honour, integrity & respect.


Exactly Clam. The way this tax was introduced right after an election where it wasn't even an issue is what burns me. Then they backtrack and reduce it to 10% and add bribes (temporary rebates) in an effort to sell it to the masses ... not mentioning the hundreds of items that were not taxed previously that would be taxed going forward. Also, the potentially confusing wording of the referendum question is insulting to all intelligent voters (even more of an insult to those not so intelligent or ESL voters).
The sneaky, dirty, underhanded methods used to introduce this tax and the methods used to try to keep it should not be rewarded with a no vote.


The whole concept of the HST doesn't bother me. Perhaps in the long run, it will be better for all.

I was extremely bothered with the way it was introduced and implemented. I was bothered enough that I signed the petition to have it abolished. I have yet to open my package that I received in the mail, but I will be sure to give it a good read-through and make my decision that is best for me. I guess that's where we're all going to differ.
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Re: HST

Postby ClamRussel » Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:06 pm

LotusBlossom wrote:
woodhog wrote:
ClamRussel wrote:
I'm 100% in favour of getting rid of the old system and bringing in a VAT but not this one. They made back room deals, lied about it during their re-election campaign and then haven't stopped lying about it ever since. The stories keep changing but the lies remain. This referendum isn't even about the tax anymore as much as its about honour, integrity & respect.


Exactly Clam. The way this tax was introduced right after an election where it wasn't even an issue is what burns me. Then they backtrack and reduce it to 10% and add bribes (temporary rebates) in an effort to sell it to the masses ... not mentioning the hundreds of items that were not taxed previously that would be taxed going forward. Also, the potentially confusing wording of the referendum question is insulting to all intelligent voters (even more of an insult to those not so intelligent or ESL voters).
The sneaky, dirty, underhanded methods used to introduce this tax and the methods used to try to keep it should not be rewarded with a no vote.


The whole concept of the HST doesn't bother me. Perhaps in the long run, it will be better for all.

I was extremely bothered with the way it was introduced and implemented. I was bothered enough that I signed the petition to have it abolished. I have yet to open my package that I received in the mail, but I will be sure to give it a good read-through and make my decision that is best for me. I guess that's where we're all going to differ.


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At this point I don't care if it benefits me or not. It will definitely be better for some people and worse for others. At what point however do people finally do something about being lied to? These politicians think we will believe anything they say if they repeat it enough. Even those who don't buy into it, they figure they'll forget over time and it will all just go away. At what point do the people finally have enough? No doubt a VAT is a simpler form of taxation but that doesn't mean the HST is the way to go. This tax is tainted w/ lies & deception. Bottom line is the Liberals had NO respect for the tax paying public. If they had HALF a brain they could have waited a year to introduce this and Gordo wouldn't have gone out in a ball of flames. There would have been no movement to stop it and, much like the carbon tax, it would have long been forgotten. Instead the wheels were in motion 3 days after the election polls closed. This is an opportunity to stand up for transparency. Voting "no" is the same as Daniel taking 7 punches to the face by rookie pest Marchand and doing nothing. Unless you stand up to these liars & thieves you deserve it. Vote "yes" and demand a VAT that involves discussion & transparency. Demand fair taxation and that companies pay their fair share.
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Re: HST

Postby Jovorock » Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:30 pm

Christy won't lie to us Clam, won't she?
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Re: HST

Postby ClamRussel » Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:48 pm

Jovorock wrote:Christy won't lie to us Clam, won't she?


No not at all Jovo, just look at the BC Rail affair...nothing wrong there, move along...
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Re: HST

Postby Arachnid » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:10 am

ClamRussel wrote:No rebates Blob unless you're well below the poverty line, think GST rebates.

This isn't about "not wanting to pay taxes" Spidey. This is a TAX SHIFT. The fact you're now paying HST on all items previously PST exempt is the whole point Blob. Its all so corporations don't have to pay their share. Shift it onto the backs of consumers. The "theory" is they will pass the savings onto consumers but thats a big ball of spin from Colin Hansen. It will not happen and whens the last time you purchased anything made in BC anyways?

Don't believe the reduction promises down to 10% either because the system cannot support that. Even if they keep it there the money has to come from somewhere so expect increases elsewhere. Their budget is BROKEN if they keep it. Won't happen, just like Gordo's Last Stand on TV, where he promised the new income tax reduction.....then the Liberals canceled it a few weeks later....this 10% will not last. It will be back up to 12% and more realistically higher like 15% to make up for it.

I'm 100% in favour of getting rid of the old system and bringing in a VAT but not this one. They made back room deals, lied about it during their re-election campaign and then haven't stopped lying about it ever since. The stories keep changing but the lies remain. This referendum isn't even about the tax anymore as much as its abouthonour, integrity & respect.


Honour, integrity & respect JayZeus Clam, this isn't Disney, the system is corrupt and getting worse, those in power are in power for a reason and do what ever they want, democracy has ceased to exist, run by the corporations and you think your little rebellion will change that? It's admirable (in a Star Wars VI kinda way :blush: ) butt there is only one way outta here...if we eva get out here...thought of giving it all away...to a registered HSTay...

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Re: HST

Postby ClamRussel » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:57 am

Arachnid wrote:
ClamRussel wrote:No rebates Blob unless you're well below the poverty line, think GST rebates.

This isn't about "not wanting to pay taxes" Spidey. This is a TAX SHIFT. The fact you're now paying HST on all items previously PST exempt is the whole point Blob. Its all so corporations don't have to pay their share. Shift it onto the backs of consumers. The "theory" is they will pass the savings onto consumers but thats a big ball of spin from Colin Hansen. It will not happen and whens the last time you purchased anything made in BC anyways?

Don't believe the reduction promises down to 10% either because the system cannot support that. Even if they keep it there the money has to come from somewhere so expect increases elsewhere. Their budget is BROKEN if they keep it. Won't happen, just like Gordo's Last Stand on TV, where he promised the new income tax reduction.....then the Liberals canceled it a few weeks later....this 10% will not last. It will be back up to 12% and more realistically higher like 15% to make up for it.

I'm 100% in favour of getting rid of the old system and bringing in a VAT but not this one. They made back room deals, lied about it during their re-election campaign and then haven't stopped lying about it ever since. The stories keep changing but the lies remain. This referendum isn't even about the tax anymore as much as its abouthonour, integrity & respect.


Honour, integrity & respect JayZeus Clam, this isn't Disney, the system is corrupt and getting worse, those in power are in power for a reason and do what ever they want, democracy has ceased to exist, run by the corporations and you think your little rebellion will change that? It's admirable (in a Star Wars VI kinda way :blush: ) butt there is only one way outta here...if we eva get out here...thought of giving it all away...to a registered HSTay...

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I don't think clothes-lining them on this issue will change everything Spidey....but at some point you have to man up to stop Marchand from bitch slapping you right?
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Re: HST

Postby Arachnid » Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:11 am

ClamRussel wrote:
Arachnid wrote:
ClamRussel wrote:No rebates Blob unless you're well below the poverty line, think GST rebates.

This isn't about "not wanting to pay taxes" Spidey. This is a TAX SHIFT. The fact you're now paying HST on all items previously PST exempt is the whole point Blob. Its all so corporations don't have to pay their share. Shift it onto the backs of consumers. The "theory" is they will pass the savings onto consumers but thats a big ball of spin from Colin Hansen. It will not happen and whens the last time you purchased anything made in BC anyways?

Don't believe the reduction promises down to 10% either because the system cannot support that. Even if they keep it there the money has to come from somewhere so expect increases elsewhere. Their budget is BROKEN if they keep it. Won't happen, just like Gordo's Last Stand on TV, where he promised the new income tax reduction.....then the Liberals canceled it a few weeks later....this 10% will not last. It will be back up to 12% and more realistically higher like 15% to make up for it.

I'm 100% in favour of getting rid of the old system and bringing in a VAT but not this one. They made back room deals, lied about it during their re-election campaign and then haven't stopped lying about it ever since. The stories keep changing but the lies remain. This referendum isn't even about the tax anymore as much as its abouthonour, integrity & respect.


Honour, integrity & respect JayZeus Clam, this isn't Disney, the system is corrupt and getting worse, those in power are in power for a reason and do what ever they want, democracy has ceased to exist, run by the corporations and you think your little rebellion will change that? It's admirable (in a Star Wars VI kinda way :blush: ) butt there is only one way outta here...if we eva get out here...thought of giving it all away...to a registered HSTay...

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I don't think clothes-lining them on this issue will change everything Spidey....but at some point you have to man up to stop Marchand from bitch slapping you right?


Yes, you are right :(

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