It's all over!!

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Re: It's all over!!

Post by Farhan Lalji » Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:47 am

Vpete wrote:Rioters were a mixed bag of everything.

F-ing tools all of them. If you didn't leave you were guilty as police car fire lighter kid.

There is no such thing as an innocent bystander so says Seinfeld! ;)
It makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it.......and based on what Chris wrote, it looks like those 'riots' made him completely disgusted as well.

Since 1994, how many other North American cities have rioted in this fashion? Am I mistaken in thinking that it's ONLY Vancouver? (and maybe Los Angeles if we consider the early 90's). Why is it only our city doing it?

Does Vancouver have a much smaller police budget than most other major cities?

Can you imagine this type of shit going down in the Southern USA? (like Houston for instance). A major city in Texas not only has a far bigger police budget, but they genuinely knock the shit out of you....no questions asked.....if anyone thought about rioting. "Southern Justice."

Maybe Vancouver is simply too liberal/forgiving/lenient?

Who knows. All I know is that there must be SOME reason why we're seeing this type of shit in Vancouver and no where else. Makes me really sad. I know we're much better than that (as we proved the next day when thousands of Vancouverites cleaned up the mess).

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Re: It's all over!!

Post by dbr » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:03 pm

Farhan Lalji wrote:Since 1994, how many other North American cities have rioted in this fashion? Am I mistaken in thinking that it's ONLY Vancouver? (and maybe Los Angeles if we consider the early 90's). Why is it only our city doing it?
Why is it necessary for 1,000 Boston police officers to put on riot gear and be paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in overtime to keep you in check?

There was no miscarriage of justice at the Garden. The Celtics won. Just like the Patriots and the Red Sox won in recent years, prompting street celebrations that also descended into ugly melees and, in two cases, led to deaths.
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Montreal fans vandalized and looted in their own city after the Habs beat the Penguins in a series a couple years back..

Lakers fans have rioted several times after their team won the NBA championship.

There were the Phillies riots in 2008.

There were riots in Denver after the Broncos superbowl repeat.

This article has a laundry list of sports riots on this continent before 1994..

The fact of the matter is that there is a long history of getting tens or hundreds of thousands of drunk sports fans together and having it end badly. It's not particular to Vancouver.. although you could certainly point the finger at the way this riot was created and handled.

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Re: It's all over!!

Post by rats19 » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:28 pm

Actually 7 dies in a boston riot red sox based..many Boston riots.
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Re: It's all over!!

Post by Farhan Lalji » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:30 pm

Thanks for the link dbr.

In a weird sort of way, it's reassuring to know that we aren't the only city that has done that.

I was actually at the CBC property....right on Hamilton street....watching Game 7. When Boston made it 4-0 with the empty netter, I, along with many other fans, started heading out. That's when we heard some minor explosions on nearby West Georgia Street.

We got startled and looked over.....and saw beer bottles being thrown at the big screen on West Georgia.

I walked a few more yards and then heard an even bigger explosion. Someone had launched a fire-cracker at the screen.

Really crazy stuff. I was at Main Street/Science world by the time the game ended and the riots started taking place, but it was really disappointing to see black smoke going up as I walked away from the city.

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Re: It's all over!!

Post by LotusBlossom » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:33 pm

Farhan Lalji wrote:
Really crazy stuff. I was at Main Street/Science world by the time the game ended and the riots started taking place, but it was really disappointing to see black smoke going up as I walked away from the city.
We were told to stay in the arena until it was ok to leave. It was an extra hour and half over the extended time we usually stay after a hockey game. The bar in our section closes usually an hour after the game, but we stayed up there for 2 1/2 hours after the Boston victory and they were in no hurry to usher anyone out of the building that night.

We were watching some of the chaos on the TVs in our section. Horrible stuff. Vancouver was up in smoke that night, and not in its usual manner.
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Re: It's all over!!

Post by Topper » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:49 pm

My guess is what disgusted The Gimp the most was that it was not us redneck country bumpkins.
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Re: It's all over!!

Post by Farhan Lalji » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:54 pm

LotusBlossom wrote:
Farhan Lalji wrote:
Really crazy stuff. I was at Main Street/Science world by the time the game ended and the riots started taking place, but it was really disappointing to see black smoke going up as I walked away from the city.
We were told to stay in the arena until it was ok to leave. It was an extra hour and half over the extended time we usually stay after a hockey game. The bar in our section closes usually an hour after the game, but we stayed up there for 2 1/2 hours after the Boston victory and they were in no hurry to usher anyone out of the building that night.

We were watching some of the chaos on the TVs in our section. Horrible stuff. Vancouver was up in smoke that night, and not in its usual manner.
A buddy of mine was at the game and he was shocked that there was rioting going on outside. According to him, the fans in attendance were very classy.....and actually gave a nice ovation to the Bruins and Chara when they held the cup. A louder cheer ensued when Lucic raised the cup.

I heard later on that night that the Boston Bruin players were escorted to the airport by the police so that they wouldn't get attacked, etc. Just really made me sick. This is not why I follow sports or hockey. I also heard that a Bruins fans had been pushed off a bridge and had been killed (turned out this wasn't true). If that had been true however, I don't think I would've have followed the Canucks ever again (prob not true....but the thought would have crossed my mind).

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Re: Farhan's $0.02

Post by BCExpat » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:54 pm

Farhan Lalji wrote:Farhan's $0.02

1)2) Calgarypuck.com:

I'll make a few comments about Calgarypuck.com since the "demise" of Canuckscentral is a hot topic on their forum. I'll also say one more thing about Chris Johansen: I suspect that Chris had a soft spot for me waaay back in the day (2001) since he hated Calgarypuck.com......and CJ also knew that I owned a VERY large piece of real estate in the pysche's of MANY Calgarypuck.com posters back then. No one drove them nuts better than I did....and much to my pleasant surprise, I actually became a bit of a folk hero on Canuckscentral. Almost like a "bad guy" in wrestling that starts getting cheered because he's so good at playing the role of the villain. :)

Calgarypuck – Most posters on Calgarypuck.com tend to think that Vancouverites and Canuck fans, for the most part, are obnoxious, classless, and stupid. I’m going to be perfectly honest…..as it pertains to being obnoxious, they are right. Canuck fans, for the most part, are extremely obnoxious…and are probably more obnoxious than Leaf fans. It’s not coincidence that we were ranked in the Top 5 of ALL sports as the most obnoxious fan base.

However – at the end of the day, as obnoxious and ignorant as many Canuck fans may be, we are PASSIONATE about the Vancouver Canucks. Our passion for the Canucks outweighs any hatred/animosity that we have towards any other team. Chicago Blackhawks – same deal. Their fans may severely dislike the Detroit Redwings and Vancouver Canucks, but their passion/love for their beloved Blackhawks outweighs that. Boston Red Sox, LA Lakers, etc., etc. You name the sport, and it’s pretty much the same for any fanbase…and their representative websites on the internet.

Even most Calgary Flame fans are good fans at heart…..just as most Canuck fans are good fans at heart. Both fanbases’ can be obnoxious, but both fanbases’ have genuinely good fans. Many of my real life friends that are die hard Calgary Flame fans, wished me and the Canucks the very best of luck....and didn't talk shit once (un less it was good natured ribbing,,,,which is expected :P )

Which leads me to Calgarypuck.com. Unfortunately, Calgarypuck.com is the ONLY sports related website on the internet that has a collection of “fans” that have a hatred towards a certain fanbase…..that outweighs their love for their own team. In other words – most posters on Calgarypuck.com hate the Vancouver Canucks and the city of Vancouver MORE than they love the city of Calgary….and the Calgary Flames.

I am not trying to be disrespectful in anyways towards Calgarypuck by the way. This is just my observation....and I've seen a LOT of sorts fan websites in my time. Although there is a bias there towards long time regulars, I think the moderators there do a decent enough job over there….so kudos to them.

The only thing I do NOT understand however, is how an entire fanbase/website can HATE another team MORE than loving one’s own team. It’s insane isn’t it? Anti-Canuck sentiment runs VERY deep over there…..and I find it to be a bit disturbing. This is not even about sports anymore. This is about basic human behavior.

It’s about a website that hates a certain team SOOOO much, that their discussion forum is completely dominated by anti-Canuck sentiment. It really boggles my mind, and makes me a bit sad that an entire message board can be filled with that much contempt.

***Mod Edit*** - Sorry Farhan, but I'm not leaving myself open to some slander suit. Unless you have undeniable proof, I can't allow that comment to be posted here.

I honestly don’t understand the bitterness that prevails over there. Are Calgarypuckers envious of the fact that their team has never been past the first round ONCE since 1988? (with the exception of their 2004 run). Are Calgarypuckers upset over the fact that outside of Western Canada, the Global world does not consider Calgary to be very significant? (as opposed to cities like Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal that have major global prominence and respect).

I’m not really sure what their exact reasons are, but I’ve never seen so much venom from one message board towards an entire city and their city’s fanbase.

I hope for their sake, and for the sake of having a peace of mind, folks on there find a way to conquer their (unhealthy) hatreds. I don’t think it’s healthy for anyone to have that kind of contempt within them.
Well said. I'm a Flames fan, and I agree with your post. For me, I just put it into perspective - it's hockey - it's enterainment. It isn't life or death. Some fans take it way too far. Fans have nothing to do with the on ice success or failure. The only thing we can do is support our team by filling the stands and buying team merchandise. We have nothing to do with the way players are obtained, who gets drafted, who gets traded, the contracts give to the players, etc. We have nothing to do with the coaching, the style of play or the skill level on the ice. So, for people to argue in such a hateful way, about something they have nothing to do with, seems absolutely pointless. I'm not saying you shouldn't discuss the game - that is why we are all here. The point is, it doesn't have to turn into a goat rodeo.
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Re: It's all over!!

Post by Farhan Lalji » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:59 pm

Topper wrote:My guess is what disgusted The Gimp the most was that it was not us redneck country bumpkins.
:lol:

What do you make of Chris' stance that the NHL head office is corrupt?

I did notice some EXTREMELY biased officiating in the Chicago series (Games 4, 5, and 6), along with Games 3 and 4 against Boston. Who knows if it was just coincidence that these were original 6 teams....that the Canucks just so happened to be beating at the time. I didn't notice any bias against Nashville or San Jose. I think there was an equal amount of incompetence in both those series'. :P

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Re: It's all over!!

Post by Cornuck » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:03 pm

Farhan Lalji wrote:I did notice some EXTREMELY biased officiating in the Chicago series (Games 4, 5, and 6), along with Games 3 and 4 against Boston. Who knows if it was just coincidence that these were original 6 teams....that the Canucks just so happened to be beating at the time. I didn't notice any bias against Nashville or San Jose. I think there was an equal amount of incompetence in both those series'. :P
Maybe not "Original 6" so much as "large market".
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Re: It's all over!!

Post by Farhan Lalji » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:12 pm

Cornuck wrote:
Farhan Lalji wrote:I did notice some EXTREMELY biased officiating in the Chicago series (Games 4, 5, and 6), along with Games 3 and 4 against Boston. Who knows if it was just coincidence that these were original 6 teams....that the Canucks just so happened to be beating at the time. I didn't notice any bias against Nashville or San Jose. I think there was an equal amount of incompetence in both those series'. :P
Maybe not "Original 6" so much as "large market".
Yeah, good point.

Another memory I have is the 2006 Superbowl between the Sea Hawks and Steelers. I don't know too much about the NFL, but I think the officiating was HORRIBLE in that game. Who knows....maybe I feel that way because I cheer the Sea Hawks.

To the best of my knowledge, those officials have never refereed a game since then.

I also think back to 2004 when Calgary played Tampa in the Cup Finals......and when that puck DID clearly cross the line but was disallowed.

All of these things are isolated events but it makes me wonder if CJ's stance about 'corrpution' is actually valid?

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Re: It's all over!!

Post by dbr » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:13 pm

In fairness he said corrupt or incompetent or both.

I don't think too many people out there would claim there aren't a plethora of examples of incompetence..

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Re: It's all over!!

Post by rats19 » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:22 pm

Cornuck wrote:
Farhan Lalji wrote:I did notice some EXTREMELY biased officiating in the Chicago series (Games 4, 5, and 6), along with Games 3 and 4 against Boston. Who knows if it was just coincidence that these were original 6 teams....that the Canucks just so happened to be beating at the time. I didn't notice any bias against Nashville or San Jose. I think there was an equal amount of incompetence in both those series'. :P
Maybe not "Original 6" so much as "large market".

which are kindof one and the same...:)
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Re: It's all over!!

Post by rats19 » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:23 pm

Farhan Lalji wrote:
Cornuck wrote:
Farhan Lalji wrote:I did notice some EXTREMELY biased officiating in the Chicago series (Games 4, 5, and 6), along with Games 3 and 4 against Boston. Who knows if it was just coincidence that these were original 6 teams....that the Canucks just so happened to be beating at the time. I didn't notice any bias against Nashville or San Jose. I think there was an equal amount of incompetence in both those series'. :P
Maybe not "Original 6" so much as "large market".
Yeah, good point.

Another memory I have is the 2006 Superbowl between the Sea Hawks and Steelers. I don't know too much about the NFL, but I think the officiating was HORRIBLE in that game. Who knows....maybe I feel that way because I cheer the Sea Hawks.

To the best of my knowledge, those officials have never refereed a game since then.

I also think back to 2004 when Calgary played Tampa in the Cup Finals......and when that puck DID clearly cross the line but was disallowed.

All of these things are isolated events but it makes me wonder if CJ's stance about 'corrpution' is actually valid?
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Re: It's all over!!

Post by Farhan Lalji » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:34 pm

rats19 wrote: didnt you diss me for cheering on the shithawks..or was it the mariners?/
Lollll,

Must've been the Mariners. I think my stance against you was that you cheering the Mariners over the Blue Jays....which was very "UnCanadian" of you. :P

I was a huge Jays fan during the late 80's/early 90's.

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