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I thought someone would have commented on that asshole that cut that guys' dome off on the Greyhound. While i have heard people piling on the passengers who exited the bus so quickly I have to wonder what those people would have done in that situation. It's easy to say that you would have slugged the guy and took away the knife but in reality I probably would have been scared myself if i had been witness to that kind of horror. I have put my ass on the line before in a bar fight for a buddy or in a hockey or baseball game, but the dude wasn't packing a butcher's knife.

The sad part of it is the man's family is probably wondering why nobody stepped in and tried to lend a hand. I assume it all went down pretty quick and the victim was likely dead within seconds. But what if it was your wife or your kids who were being stabbed by some worthless piece of shit. I know I would want someone to intervene if I wasn't there to protect my own family. That said, I have a wife and two kids to go home to and I am NOT 100 % sure that i would have waded into that fracas for a stranger. i like to think I would, but I don't know.

One thing I know for sure is that I , or any of my family will never ride a Greyhound as long as I can draw a breath. There are some real shitbags who prey on people on these long bus road trips. It's one thing to rob someone, but to murder them in cold blodd is FUCKED. The guy had to be on some really bad drugs. It's too bad that the cops didn't pump his guts full of lead upon arrival.
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Two things:

First off, to blame Greyhound is absurd. This could have happened anywhere, it just so happened it was on a bus owned by Greyhound. If it happened on BC Ferries, would you stop riding the ferry? What about on PCL? Or TransLink?

Secondly, and you mentioned this in your post, dude was carrying a very large knife. Most likely, the victim was dead before anyone had time to react. What the rest of the passengers did was (in that situation) was probably the best thing they could have done. They kept attacker on the bus until the police could come and deal with it.

I've read many posts on other forums by guys trained to deal with attackers and they've said the exact same thing.
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Kowch wrote:Two things:

First off, to blame Greyhound is absurd. This could have happened anywhere, it just so happened it was on a bus owned by Greyhound. If it happened on BC Ferries, would you stop riding the ferry? What about on PCL? Or TransLink?

Secondly, and you mentioned this in your post, dude was carrying a very large knife. Most likely, the victim was dead before anyone had time to react. What the rest of the passengers did was (in that situation) was probably the best thing they could have done. They kept attacker on the bus until the police could come and deal with it.

I've read many posts on other forums by guys trained to deal with attackers and they've said the exact same thing.
Dude, I'm not blaming Greyhound. i'm just saying that there are some very sketchy characters who go on long bus trips and prey on others. As for Translink I haven't ridden a bus in years and don't intend to anytime soon. Passengers are punching the piss out of drivers, people all cracked out. The Skytrain stations are another mess- the smell of urine, open drug use and beatings........ No thanks ,I'll stick to my gas guzzler and let others use transit. The ferries are a necessity for us a couple times a year, so I will continue to use that servie while flipping the bird about the cost. ;)

I think we are kind of in agreement that little could have been done to help the poor bastard that got stabbed. There are a lot of internet Eastwoods out there who likely would have turtled at the first sign of trouble, but my heart goes out to the victim's family. Like I said if it was my family member who was gutted like that i would have hoped that someone would have helped them. But then i also said that I would have likely been more concerned about seeing my own family again. So i guess I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth. ;)
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Blob Mckenzie wrote: One thing I know for sure is that I , or any of my family will never ride a Greyhound as long as I can draw a breath. There are some real shitbags who prey on people on these long bus road trips.
This was a random act of violence.The fact that it was on a greyhound means absolutley nothing. If you think your providing your family some sort of extra safety by refusing to use public transit you are only fooling yourself.This incident could have happened at your local gas station,store or local park just as easily.
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dangler wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote: One thing I know for sure is that I , or any of my family will never ride a Greyhound as long as I can draw a breath. There are some real shitbags who prey on people on these long bus road trips.
This was a random act of violence.The fact that it was on a greyhound means absolutley nothing. If you think your providing your family some sort of extra safety by refusing to use public transit you are only fooling yourself.This incident could have happened at your local gas station,store or local park just as easily.
Absolutely it could have happened anywhere, but nobody can argue my point that there are a shitload of crackheads and assholes who use busses and transit. That was my only point. I may have gone a little over the top , but I will strongly suggest to members of my family that they avoid transit and long bus trips whenever they can. If you want to enhale urine at the skytrain station or sit with a crackhead on a bus go ahead. ;)
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I agree with Blob on this one - you want to find the asshole of any city in the US? Locate the Greyhound station.
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Hey. Whats the matter with inhaling a little urine. :shock:

Seriously though you are right about the crackheads on the buses.I recently decided to take a bus and sure enough 2 crackheads get on and begin babbeling away to each other .You could see the tension immediatly on all the passengers. I live close to skytrain and take it when i go downtown for a game or whatever and have found it to be much better.Maybe because there are transit cops around or maybe its because the trips are quicker.And yeah,the Greyhound stations are a magnet for losers but unfortunatly alot of good people have no other choice but to use the hound.
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I'll tell you Blob ,if I'd been within 6 feet and could've blind-sided that piece of shit I would have. To walk down a narrow isle and confront him would have been suicide. I have a wife and 3 kids and owe it to them not to take stupid chances with my earning potential... I mean life.

I rode the Greyhound from Dawson Creek to Chilliwack in 03 and it was miserable. I had two leaches sitting behind me begging for smokes, a shot of my 26' fries, and trying to sell me a stupid lookig dream catcher! We stopped in P.G for dinner and I had to tell them too F-off when the tried following me into a restarant and mooch some more. When I got back on the bus I passed out and woke up in Yale to have some broad that looked like she'd been riden hard and put away wet ask me to find the pot she threw under my seat when the cops boarded the bus while I was passed out! I said" F-you you dumb bitch! What the fack you throw it under my seat for?" Chilliwack and my family waiting for me was like walking into heavan after that toe rag filled loser cruiser from hell! Never again!!

Apperantly the kid that was murdered was a real good kid. That makes what that third world pile of shit( nice fucking sceening immigration board assholes!) did even that much harder to take.

I had to ride the sky train down town while re-doing the C.B.C building on Hamilton the months of June and July. What a fucking disaster! Three days in I got sick with some kinda third world Sars type shit and spent the next month feeling like shit! Sixty different langagues, cell phones, seriously drug addicted crap! and rent a pigs with tasers and big puffy chests. No thanks I'd rather the world over heat than do that again!

Riding the bus from Cresent beach to Newton Exchange ONCE in o6 I watched in disbelief as a obviously drunk slime ball that hadn't bathed in months start hassling a 15 yr old girl with her school books in hand! None of the so-called guys at the back of the bus where she was would do or say shit! Patsy's just looked the other way! Not Rockhead! I Made my way past the yellow bellied construction workers and told the goof if he said on more word he'd be spitting his teeth out like chicklets! Of course he did ,and I grabbed him by the troat and drew my arm back to slug the prick! As I did that another hand joined mine around the guys neck! I looked back to see the widest Asian guy ( turned out he was of Korean decsent) trying to squeezew that breath outta Surrey's finest as well! F@#kin' A'. We dragged the guy to the back doors and told the driver to 'STOP THE BUS" He did and all the while 135 pound tough guy screaming "LET GO OF ME CHINK" 'I'M GONNA KILL YOU". The Korean got the last laugyh when he dwarf tossedKiller out into the rain and said "I'm not Chinese Asshole I'm Canadian"

Needless to say the girl said thank you and the rest of the passengers cheered. Busses suck, but if you have to ride them don't let the shit make it uncomfotable for you or other decent people You make it uncomfortable for them!
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So now it comes out that the cops left this fucking asshole alone with the victim's body on the bus for three hours before they convinced the bastard to jump out a window. And the mom wants to know why the asshole was eating her son while the cops stood outside the bus. I have no idea what protocol is for the RCMP in situations like this but as of now they are refusing comment on the matter.

It's bad enough that the kid was gutted like an animal, but to be eaten like that is degrading to his family and the human race.
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They give a guy in the airport 4 seconds to learn English before killing him but let this asshole spend three hours jamming the most horrible possible images in the heads of the family of this kid. Pigs are stupid.
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This story is so sad - it's not often that a murder in the news makes me feel sick, but this one hits hard.

I think the biggest question in everyone's mind was "why didn't anyone do anything??" - and now it's why "Why did the cops let this continue"?

I feel horrible that that a 'lapse' in immigration let this terrible incident happen, but at the same time, I know that it's a harbinger of things to come as North America opens up to the 'world economy'.

It's not often that I'm at a lost for words, but after reading the recent stories on this - I am. My heart goes out to the family.
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If the socialists that ran this country for so long didn't have such anti-family policies in place maybe Canadians would have had more children in the late 60's 70's 80's and so-on thus negating the need to change the entire face of the nation in one generation. Did we really need to bring in that many dollar store owners and truck drivers?

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So now this piece of garbage avoids prison due to insanity. He'll be locked up anyways but the RCMP shit the bed on this one IMHO. They shoudl have gotten the bus people the fuck out of the area and then boarded the bus in numbers heavily armed. Instead they "negotiate" with the fucking guy for three hours while he is eating the guy's dome. They should have boarded the bus and filled that cocksucker with lead. It was self defence. Anyone that would question that after all that came out about what this prick did to that kid should be shot themselves. We need a little more frontier justice in this day and age instead of these limp wristed pinko commies who whine and cry for the rights of the douchebags.

It's like these Bacon brothers that the cops are tailing. Why not tail them right into the tiger's mouth and let them get what they deserve. 90% of all the bloodbath going on right now is due to these guys bootfucking and torturing a very improtant individual in a fairly powerful gang. The public is in the crossfire regardless of whether the police tail these assholes. A bullet in the head for all three of these clowns and the lower mainland would be a lot safer. Sure it's draconian and archaic but the gang wars in this city are fucking scary.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote:So now this piece of garbage avoids prison due to insanity. He'll be locked up anyways but the RCMP shit the bed on this one IMHO. They shoudl have gotten the bus people the fuck out of the area and then boarded the bus in numbers heavily armed. Instead they "negotiate" with the fucking guy for three hours while he is eating the guy's dome. They should have boarded the bus and filled that cocksucker with lead. It was self defence. Anyone that would question that after all that came out about what this prick did to that kid should be shot themselves. We need a little more frontier justice in this day and age instead of these limp wristed pinko commies who whine and cry for the rights of the douchebags.

It's like these Bacon brothers that the cops are tailing. Why not tail them right into the tiger's mouth and let them get what they deserve. 90% of all the bloodbath going on right now is due to these guys bootfucking and torturing a very improtant individual in a fairly powerful gang. The public is in the crossfire regardless of whether the police tail these assholes. A bullet in the head for all three of these clowns and the lower mainland would be a lot safer. Sure it's draconian and archaic but the gang wars in this city are fucking scary.
Well that's the problem Blob. We're so quick to crucify these cops for anything that goes wrong, I'm sure in the back of their minds they were saying "What's gonna happen if I pop this guy?" We can't have it both ways, if we're going to have a pubic inquiry every time someone is tazed and killed, cops are going to second-guess themselves. IF we want the police to be tougher on crime, all crimes, we have to take the results in stride.

I agree. I would hope that, upon seeing someone marching up and down a bus with a human head and hearing he was trying to get out and slash others, he receive a bullet sandwich to the chops.

I remember sitting in my filth-filled, former Taliban school in Afghanistan last summer watching this story on the only channel we got for about 4 straight days. I kept thinking "I thought those kind of crazies were over here!" It's a disgusting event and the public would be better off, and feel safer, if Vince Li wasn't with us anymore.
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Island Nucklehead wrote:Well that's the problem Blob. We're so quick to crucify these cops for anything that goes wrong, I'm sure in the back of their minds they were saying "What's gonna happen if I pop this guy?" We can't have it both ways, if we're going to have a pubic inquiry every time someone is tazed and killed, cops are going to second-guess themselves. IF we want the police to be tougher on crime, all crimes, we have to take the results in stride.

I agree. I would hope that, upon seeing someone marching up and down a bus with a human head and hearing he was trying to get out and slash others, he receive a bullet sandwich to the chops.

I remember sitting in my filth-filled, former Taliban school in Afghanistan last summer watching this story on the only channel we got for about 4 straight days. I kept thinking "I thought those kind of crazies were over here!" It's a disgusting event and the public would be better off, and feel safer, if Vince Li wasn't with us anymore.
You make an interesting point Island. Guess I fall somewhere in the middle. In one sense I think that comparing the tazer death and the bus incident is a bit out of proportion, as to my recollection the guy in the airport wasn't posing that much of a threat(i.e. not sawing the head off of his dead victim, waving knife around etc.). I think the reason for the public outcry for the death of the guy in the airport was improportionate use of force. He was being uncooperative but had not murdered anyone and could have been easily taken down without the use of a tazer. On the other hand, guy on the bus had killed someone and was cannibalizing his remains. I doubt any public outcry would have resulted had the police stormed the bus and tazered him or shot him, had he posed a real and imminent threat (don't think that would be hard to prove). Thus, I think you can have a bit of both worlds - a little bit more discretion in instances where no one is really in danger and a little bit more force in instances where there is no doubt.
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