the paranoia of the canuck fanbase

[2Fingers]

Coming from you that is rich.

But sure your right.

[Strangelove]

Bennings comments at the time "He’s going to help and he’s going to help our young kids in the future.” sums up why he signed Eriksson and the organization has been clear, crystal clear on how it wants to rebuild the franchise..

I guess the comments from management about retooling on the fly doesn’t mean much?

LE was not brought in to mentor anyone, he had little leadership qualities, he was brought in because Sedins were still playing and they hopped for the 3 of them to click and create a top line. Then hope for a second line to be created out of the remaining players.

So you believe Benning was lying through his teeth about LE being brought on board to be a mentor (WHY would he lie)

... and that he was being completely honest two years earlier when he used "retooling on the fly"... rather than "rebuild".

(the reasons he would be somewhat disingenuous on that one are obvious and have been stated many times)

Are you happy in the reality you have created?

[Mickey107]

Here we go again with that damn word "mentoring".
Way over used and in most cases inaccurate.
Benning"s first year was a playoff year.

I prefer the term leader as opposed to mentor. (sounds like a freakin professor) and we sure as hell haven't brought in one of those.
LE was acquired for the Sedins. He sure as hell isn't a teacher. A guy that mopes around cause he's in one of his slumps.
Sutter was brought in as a leader type and he gets a solid C- for it too, hurray. Horvat sure as hell didn't need his tutelage. Asa matter of fact
Horvat is more of a leader, MENTOR, than ANYONE that has been brought in.
Miller was good. Vanek was OK.
Gagner-NOT.
Roussel is there to be a counter measure for all things cheap and shitty that need retaliation.

Of note; The Sedins said they did NOT take players aside and talk to them, rather they tried to lead by example.

It doesn't matter what you think of the word "mentoring", it's a reality and one that the organization feels is very important for their prospect pool...

Regarding Sedins not taking players aside and talking to them, you might want to ask Horvat about that one...I agree the message gets across much better if the player delivering it can perform on the ice but to say it doesn't exist is silly....

Miller, Gagner, Vanek, etc, etc are all players who were brought in to give the team some stability until it could put together a core group of some 6 to 8 elite prospects who will most likely come from the draft and eventually be the group to return the team to a Cup contender...

Today they have maybe 2 in Horvat and Boeser and fingers crossed they have another 2 or 3 in their current prospect pool and can add another few over the next couple of drafts ...


Benning is in year 5 of his rebuild, some experts predicted it would take 7 to 10 years to get there and given where the prospect pool is today and where it was when he arrived I'm of the opinion that he is doing a very good job....

Some can choose to over analyze free agent signings and the term and dollars of contracts, none of which will not restrict or impede the rebuild, that's their choice, but I'm focused on the teams ability to find 6 to 8 elite players....

The team everyone in the hockey world is fawning over, the leaves have had what the Nucks haven't had....draft lottery luck and sooner or later it will turn in the Canucks favor...

The leaves have only 1 buried contract in their system now, which is down from having as many as 6 not that long ago....They are paying Phil Kessel $1.2 million per season for 4 more seasons not to play with them and it hasn't hurt their ability to sign the likes of Tavares so I don't understand all of the angst in Vancouver over their contract situation....

But in a market where the use of the words "rebuild" or "retool" can cause so much angst and debate, its not surprising...

Take care...

Nice way to start off a post, dear sir. I shall begin mine in a similar flavor.
It doesn't matter what you think at all.
The word mentoring, by definition, is wrong in most cases. Is Gagner your choice for an instructor? Eriksson? Sutter?
They are here for the money and I seriously have reservations in regards to how much they care about 18 to 22 year old player's progression.
I think it an illusion to expect it. I see it more along the lines of justification of the fact they, and others, have been acquired by the current
management. By that, I am not disparaging the current management on an overall basis.

Also, I was quoting what Daniel Sedin said at the conclusion of the regular season.
I am assuming you are quoting Mr. Horvat.

The coaches are the instructors...

[Richardstroker69]

Here we go again with that damn word "mentoring".
Way over used and in most cases inaccurate.
Benning"s first year was a playoff year.

I prefer the term leader as opposed to mentor. (sounds like a freakin professor) and we sure as hell haven't brought in one of those.
LE was acquired for the Sedins. He sure as hell isn't a teacher. A guy that mopes around cause he's in one of his slumps.
Sutter was brought in as a leader type and he gets a solid C- for it too, hurray. Horvat sure as hell didn't need his tutelage. Asa matter of fact
Horvat is more of a leader, MENTOR, than ANYONE that has been brought in.
Miller was good. Vanek was OK.
Gagner-NOT.
Roussel is there to be a counter measure for all things cheap and shitty that need retaliation.

Of note; The Sedins said they did NOT take players aside and talk to them, rather they tried to lead by example.

Too harsh of a response my bad micky

[Island Nucklehead]

So you believe Benning was lying through his teeth about LE being brought on board to be a mentor (WHY would he lie)

... and that he was being completely honest two years earlier when he used "retooling on the fly"... rather than "rebuild".

I believe he was absolutely convinced both statements were true.

[Strangelove]

I believe he was absolutely convinced both statements were true.

That's great but we were trying to determine what goes on in Mr Reefer's skull.

[Topper]

So you believe Benning was lying through his teeth about LE being brought on board to be a mentor (WHY would he lie)

... and that he was being completely honest two years earlier when he used "retooling on the fly"... rather than "rebuild".

I believe he was absolutely convinced both statements were true.

PT Barnum may have said it best.

[dangler]

Wasn't it shortly after LE was brought in that the narrative changed from retool to rebuild

[Hockey Widow]

Wasn't it shortly after LE was brought in that the narrative changed from retool to rebuild

The narrative changed in that the terminology changed. Why? Who knows why they stated to say rebuild. But note they still use transition and retool as well. They still say remain competitive, protect the kids, build a new core etc etc etc.

Some people got all excited when Benning first uttered rebuild thinking he finally admitted his mistakes and was going to do it right this time. Same people can’t understand his off season signings because it isn’t consistent with their view of a rebuild, which they assumed Benning was now on track to execute. He hasn’t changed his focus or his methodology. As the rebuild progresses so too does his management of same shift.

Narrative, what’s really different, other than we as a team are in a different place than year 1, 2, 3, 4.

[Mickey107]

Here we go again with that damn word "mentoring".
Way over used and in most cases inaccurate.
Benning"s first year was a playoff year.

I prefer the term leader as opposed to mentor. (sounds like a freakin professor) and we sure as hell haven't brought in one of those.
LE was acquired for the Sedins. He sure as hell isn't a teacher. A guy that mopes around cause he's in one of his slumps.
Sutter was brought in as a leader type and he gets a solid C- for it too, hurray. Horvat sure as hell didn't need his tutelage. Asa matter of fact
Horvat is more of a leader, MENTOR, than ANYONE that has been brought in.
Miller was good. Vanek was OK.
Gagner-NOT.
Roussel is there to be a counter measure for all things cheap and shitty that need retaliation.

Of note; The Sedins said they did NOT take players aside and talk to them, rather they tried to lead by example.

Dude you’re talking out of your ass you have no idea what goes on in the locker room and pretending to know who brings “leadership” or not when you don’t know what’s going on in the locker room is ignorant.

Actually I do have some knowledge of what has been transpiring in the room though not as much this past year.
You are talking out your ass. Trying to be, well, I don't know what your trying to be.
You can tell so much by watching the games. The mannerisms on the ice and the expressions on the bench.
If you have the insight, you can get an idea from the interviews with players. What they say, or don't say and "reading between the lines".
Or is that woosh?

[Todd Bersnoozi]

Are you happy in the reality you have created for yourself?

You don't need to play dumb man. We all know what you like to do.

[Mickey107]

[Richardstroker69]

Here we go again with that damn word "mentoring".
Way over used and in most cases inaccurate.
Benning"s first year was a playoff year.

I prefer the term leader as opposed to mentor. (sounds like a freakin professor) and we sure as hell haven't brought in one of those.
LE was acquired for the Sedins. He sure as hell isn't a teacher. A guy that mopes around cause he's in one of his slumps.
Sutter was brought in as a leader type and he gets a solid C- for it too, hurray. Horvat sure as hell didn't need his tutelage. Asa matter of fact
Horvat is more of a leader, MENTOR, than ANYONE that has been brought in.
Miller was good. Vanek was OK.
Gagner-NOT.
Roussel is there to be a counter measure for all things cheap and shitty that need retaliation.

Of note; The Sedins said they did NOT take players aside and talk to them, rather they tried to lead by example.

Dude you’re talking out of your ass you have no idea what goes on in the locker room and pretending to know who brings “leadership” or not when you don’t know what’s going on in the locker room is ignorant.

Actually I do have some knowledge of what has been transpiring in the room though not as much this past year.
You are talking out your ass. Trying to be, well, I don't know what your trying to be.
You can tell so much by watching the games. The mannerisms on the ice and the expressions on the bench.
If you have the insight, you can get an idea from the interviews with players. What they say, or don't say and "reading between the lines".
Or is that woosh?

Please share this inside knowledge than. Also you can’t take anything a player says to the media as anything but fluff and garbage, I mean cmon man.

[Mickey107]

NO.
And your becoming a house fly.

[Strangelove]

Are you happy in the reality you have created for yourself?

You don't need to play dumb man. We all know what you like to do.

Fuck you Todd, I haven't used a sock account since 2010 at Central.

Sock accounts are not allowed at the Corner...