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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Tciso » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:44 pm

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ESQ wrote: 70 points would put them in the top 50 players in the League.


Is that what we're gunning for now? Top 50? :lol:

Read the whole sentence. 70 points is OK on the top line when you're a beast defensively and you are tough to play against.

When you get all the offensive zone starts and 1st-unit PP time and have no physicality or shutdown ability? Pretty bad.

Points aren't everything ESQ, but they are everything when it comes to what the twins bring. If the Sedins are 55th in scoring they are pretty shitty first-liners.


Rummy, you vastly under-rate the twin's defensive play. They quietly shut down other team's top lines almost as effectively as they quietly score around a point a game. Even as top 55 forwards in the league point wise, they are legit 1st liners. Hank was 20th in scoring, and Danny was 31st, so dropping to 55th is still a pretty good drop, btw.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Rumsfeld » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:52 pm

Tciso wrote:
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ESQ wrote: 70 points would put them in the top 50 players in the League.


Is that what we're gunning for now? Top 50? :lol:

Read the whole sentence. 70 points is OK on the top line when you're a beast defensively and you are tough to play against.

When you get all the offensive zone starts and 1st-unit PP time and have no physicality or shutdown ability? Pretty bad.

Points aren't everything ESQ, but they are everything when it comes to what the twins bring. If the Sedins are 55th in scoring they are pretty shitty first-liners.


Rummy, you vastly under-rate the twin's defensive play. They quietly shut down other team's top lines almost as effectively as they quietly score around a point a game. Even as top 55 forwards in the league point wise, they are legit 1st liners. Hank was 20th in scoring, and Danny was 31st, so dropping to 55th is still a pretty good drop, btw.


I guess it's acceptable if you're an extremely shitty team.

Again, Kesler was putting up PPG numbers on the SECOND line and winning fucking Selkes at the same time a couple seasons ago.

Standards are dropping faster than a hooker's panties around here.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Tciso » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:01 pm

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Points aren't everything ESQ, but they are everything when it comes to what the twins bring. If the Sedins are 55th in scoring they are pretty shitty first-liners.


Rummy, you vastly under-rate the twin's defensive play. They quietly shut down other team's top lines almost as effectively as they quietly score around a point a game. Even as top 55 forwards in the league point wise, they are legit 1st liners. Hank was 20th in scoring, and Danny was 31st, so dropping to 55th is still a pretty good drop, btw.


I guess it's acceptable if you're an extremely shitty team.

Again, Kesler was putting up PPG numbers on the SECOND line and winning fucking Selkes at the same time a couple seasons ago.

Standards are dropping faster than a hooker's panties around here.


Holy F*&k dude. A couple of years ago, the Canucks had their best season ever. Period. And, guess what?? There were a lot of career years that year, including Kesler. I am not talking about standards dropping. I am talking about players playing at their average. I have a lot less concern about our top 6 than I do about our bottom 6. If our bottom 6 play as well as the average bottom 6, I feel pretty good about our chances this year. We are not the elite team of 3 seasons ago, but, we are still a top 10 team.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Rumsfeld » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:05 pm

Tciso wrote:Holy F*&k dude. A couple of years ago, the Canucks had their best season ever. Period. And, guess what?? There were a lot of career years that year, including Kesler. I am not talking about standards dropping. I am talking about players playing at their average. I have a lot less concern about our top 6 than I do about our bottom 6. If our bottom 6 play as well as the average bottom 6, I feel pretty good about our chances this year. We are not the elite team of 3 seasons ago, but, we are still a top 10 team.


I was referring to Kesler's 2010 season as well.

But yeah, with fuck-all scoring on our third and fourth lines and a complete question mark on the wings of the second line, the Sedins scoring well under a PPG sounds really promising for our success.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Topper » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:22 pm

Tciso wrote:Holy F*&k dude. A couple of years ago, the Canucks had their best season ever. Period. And, guess what?? There were a lot of career years that year, including Kesler. I am not talking about standards dropping. I am talking about players playing at their average. I have a lot less concern about our top 6 than I do about our bottom 6. If our bottom 6 play as well as the average bottom 6, I feel pretty good about our chances this year. We are not the elite team of 3 seasons ago, but, we are still a top 10 team.

Bill James wrote an excellent paper on that 30 years ago in one of his Baseball Abstracts.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Strangelove » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:11 pm

Tciso wrote:Rummy, you vastly under-rate the twin's defensive play.


Yeah, I hear him repeating that yet I see them as solid defensively.

Did he... really... compare them to Hodgson defensively?? :lol:

So yeah, my eyes tell me they're solid defensively.

And a quick glance at the "old-fashioned" stats tells me they're up around top-ten league-wide in plus/minus.

I just don't "see" how this is a problem.

It'll be interesting when they finally start seeing some PK time again next season. :drink:
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Rumsfeld » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:30 pm

Did your eyes tell you they were solid defensively againsst the Sharks? You know, when it matters? When the heat's cranked up?

'Cause mine sure as fuck didn't.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Strangelove » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:35 pm

Well there was a gaff or two over the course of those...... FOUR GAMES. :scowl:
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Rumsfeld » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:41 pm

Holy crap, you'd think this was the website for the Chicago Blackhawks based on the doe-eyed optimism and complete refusal to criticize core players or management decisions.

I think the team should be able to take second in the new division if Anaheim falls back to earth and San Jose plays as old as they look.

Wouldn't be surprised to see LA kick ass and take the division this year, they've underachieved bigtime in the regular season and you'd think they're due to buck that trend.

It's the playoffs where this team will be totally exposed yet again unless we make some major changes up front, and maybe on the blue line as well. We look like we'll be even easier to play against this year than last.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Strangelove » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:53 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:Wouldn't be surprised to see LA kick ass and take the division this year, they've underachieved bigtime in the regular season and you'd think they're due to buck that trend.


What, and quit partying??? :shock:

Rumsfeld wrote:It's the playoffs where this team will be totally exposed yet again unless we make some major changes up front, and maybe on the blue line as well. We look like we'll be even easier to play against this year than last.


What do you mean.... "we"... white man?

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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Rumsfeld » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:54 pm

Strangelove wrote:What do you mean.... "we"... white man?

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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Rumsfeld » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:57 pm

Strangelove wrote:Well there was a gaff or two over the course of those...... FOUR GAMES. :scowl:


Well yeah, it would have been nice to have a larger playoff sample size.

Which we would have had if the Sedins did... you know.... anything of consequence to get us a W.

But all this talk of empty glasses is making me thirsty, so I'm off to pour a snifter and then a nightcap!

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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Strangelove » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:45 pm

Yup, sample size is important and the Sedins have been close to PPG in playoffs over the last 5 seasons!

True story, THIS JUST HAPPENED, I've been outside for the last hour.

Well for all but the last 10 minutes in which time I've downed at least 6 ounces of Crown Royal.

Wifey was out watering the flowers and called me.

She said there's an wounded eagle on the neighbor's roof.

And danged if there wasn't! :shock:

Anyway, I tried to be a hero until the fucking thing swooped me!

Well sorta. :look:

Can still hear the damned thing out there screeching, mocking....

Hopefully this whiskey makes me braver.

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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby Tiger » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:36 am

Rumsfeld wrote:Did your eyes tell you they were solid defensively againsst the Sharks? You know, when it matters? When the heat's cranked up?

'Cause mine sure as fuck didn't.


Well other than the Sharks this year .. the Kings last year .. the Bruins in 2011 and Chicago 2010 maybe they have been solid defensively ? :D
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Postby 5thhorseman » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:36 am

On a positive note, if you consider only cloudless days, you'll discover it's sunny 100% of the time in Vancouver.
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