Diehard1 wrote:I agree, if you want elite talent you have to give up talent. I want elite talent too, but I want it playing either centre or defense. Could say goalie too but I'm less concerned there. An elite winger just doesn't do enough to carry his team like an elite centre does - it's the reason guys like Ovechkin, Kessel and Nash have very little team success because they don't have an elite centre.
Well, you can look at it that way. But was Linden really a Centre? Or a RWer turned into one? I think E. Kane was centre initially but converted to wing at the NHL level. What about the other Kane. Patrick Kane? You think the Blackhawks win the SC an either of those years without him playing the wing? Is Kesler really a centre? Or a better winger?
I'd love to have Kane, don't get me wrong, but not at the cost of Horvat or the 6th pick - those are what you build around along with a guy like Kane. As I said before, trade Kesler for young players and picks, then use those pieces for a guy like Kane if you want. I really don't get the 'overpay because he's from Van' mentality, doesn't make sense to me. Don't care where they are from if they help the team win.
Do you project Horvat or the 6th pick to turn into an "elite" level player? Even with his off-ice issues, I think E. Kane has a better chance of meeting that status.
You would "go all in" as Botchford has to say is because he is a rare talent. How many players' in all have hockey in recent years has scored as many goals he has at his age? He has the chance to be an Iggy type player over the long-term. The skill sets there but the risk is whether you will project he will continue to mature both on and especially off-ice.
Edit: Just a general comment that I've observed, not singling you out per se but it seems to me that fans tend to be "seduced" by the 'P' word i.e potential of blue-chip prospects and high draft picks ... since you haven't seen their warts at the professional level.
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Botch's "Best Idea":
Maybe the first big move for the Lord and his new GM is a Kesler trade, but there is something more pressing.
If the Jets really are going to trade Evander Kane, and the odds are still long, the Canucks have to be all-in. And not the Ray Shero “Sutter and a couple of shitty picks for Kesler” all-in.
The Canucks need to be “we’re building a package around Bo Horvat our only blue chip prospect” all in.
Even then, they’d have to cross their fingers and hope all those me-first attitude rumours floating out of Winnipeg are enough to get Kane on a bunch of GM’s don’t-touch lists.
They also have to hope LA doesn’t cut the line and land him for some bargain bin price, because that just seems like something LA would somehow be able to do.
If the stories are true that Kane really has wanted to play in Van, it would be pretty fitting. The one time the Canucks need a player to have a NTC, he doesn’t got on.
As I said earlier, I think the Jets would prefer a Kassian and Tanev package back over a Horvat plus package. They want NHL roster players that can contribute now before their fans become like, duh Canucks fans.