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Re: Canucks select Bo Horvat with the #9 pick

Postby Groovypippin » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:20 pm

I think Shinkaruk has a nice big chip on his shoulder. It upset him that Calgary passed him by in the draft and I think missing out on the World Juniors will piss him off to no end.

Sometimes the best thing that can happen to a player like Shinkaruk is to face adversity and keep growing that big ol' chip. I think he is going to be a beauty and I think he is going to come into camp next year on an absolute tear.
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Re: Canucks select Bo Horvat with the #9 pick

Postby Meds » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:20 pm

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RoyalDude wrote:Personally I'd take Erhoff cause he is great offensively and good defensively.


I agree with you on this one.

We should never have let Erhoff walk.

After it became obvious that Ballard wasn't fitting in well here, while Erhoff was such a key component to our PP and defense in general, Gillis should have waived Ballard and kept Erhoff ( on a side note though - would we have been on the hook for Ballard's salary had we done so?). Also - Buffalo offered Erhoff a huge up front signing bonus and a ridiculously highly front loaded contract. I can't remember what our cap situation was at the time, but Gillis may have had his hands tied? I honestly can't recall.


The reason Ehrhoff walked was because Gillis wouldn't give him term. Gillis offered him the same deal he gave Bieksa and Hamhuis. Ehrhoff would have had a higher cap hit had he stayed here, but he wouldn't have gotten the enormously front-sided contract he got in Buffalo. Personally I think Gillis should have offered him a huge deal, not the $10M he got with the Sabers, but going $8M and then dropping off over a shorter term while keeping the cap hit in the $4M range would have been a smart move.

As for Ballard, somebody would have taken him in exchange for a prospect or something. Hell, even a 3rd or 4th round pick would have been fine in the event that Ehrhoff was sticking around.
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Re: Canucks select Bo Horvat with the #9 pick

Postby RoyalDude » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:21 pm

Hunter Shinkaruk 5 goals, 11 assists in 18 games with Medicine Hat. Terrible numbers for a supposed WHL sniper-superstar, team leader.
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Re: Canucks select Bo Horvat with the #9 pick

Postby Meds » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:32 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Sedin
Sedin
Kesler
Burrows
Hansen
Bieksa
Edler
Luongo

Take these 8 off the team and we are worse than Buffalo and Edmonton combined.


LOL. You're such an idiot RD, either that or you post like one to stir the pot and generate conversation.

If you take those 8 players off of the team, you pretty much remove the entire core. Remove the core of any team and the team looks like it will suck. But wait.....if you gut the core you are going to replace the core. So who knows what players would have filled in the gaps.

And as for Gillis versus previous management, should he have gutted the core when he took over and just traded away the group of players who ended up leading this team to within a game of the Cup just so he could prove to a few lunatic ass-hats that he had the chops to put together his own winning team? Almost every GM who does that ends up tanking the team and putting them in the cellar for a few years while they re-stock on top picks.....wait, that sounds familiar. Oh right, Edmonton did that, they've gone thru how many GM's in the last few years, and all of them did either jack shit because the ground-up rebuild had to let the youngsters develop.

Half of being a good GM when you take over a new team is recognizing which players to hold on to and which players to use as trade bait. Gillis has done a very good job of this with few exceptions.
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Re: Canucks select Bo Horvat with the #9 pick

Postby RoyalDude » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:43 pm

Meds wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Sedin
Sedin
Kesler
Burrows
Hansen
Bieksa
Edler
Luongo

Take these 8 off the team and we are worse than Buffalo and Edmonton combined.


LOL. You're such an idiot RD, either that or you post like one to stir the pot and generate conversation.

If you take those 8 players off of the team, you pretty much remove the entire core. Remove the core of any team and the team looks like it will suck. But wait.....if you gut the core you are going to replace the core. So who knows what players would have filled in the gaps.

And as for Gillis versus previous management, should he have gutted the core when he took over and just traded away the group of players who ended up leading this team to within a game of the Cup just so he could prove to a few lunatic ass-hats that he had the chops to put together his own winning team? Almost every GM who does that ends up tanking the team and putting them in the cellar for a few years while they re-stock on top picks.....wait, that sounds familiar. Oh right, Edmonton did that, they've gone thru how many GM's in the last few years, and all of them did either jack shit because the ground-up rebuild had to let the youngsters develop.

Half of being a good GM when you take over a new team is recognizing which players to hold on to and which players to use as trade bait. Gillis has done a very good job of this with few exceptions.



I hear bra, how about this, rank the players on the team, best to worst

Let me have a gander

Sedin
Sedin
Kesler
Luongo
Burrows
Hamhius
Bieksa
Edler
Higgins
Garrison
Santorelli
Hansen
Tanev
Stanton
Lack
Weise
Richardson
Kassian
Sestito
Booth

7 of the top 10 are previous management players...but more importantly, the best 5 players on this team are previous managements Gems.
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Re: Canucks select Bo Horvat with the #9 pick

Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:07 pm

Shinkaruk was hurt.

Doh where is Bersnoozi the fist puppet to chime in with his usual drivel ?

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Re: Canucks select Bo Horvat with the #9 pick

Postby Hockey Widow » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:40 pm

If he is a bust we can always call him Stunter Stinkkaruk.
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Re: Canucks select Bo Horvat with the #9 pick

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:43 am

RoyalDude wrote:Hunter Shinkaruk 5 goals, 11 assists in 18 games with Medicine Hat. Terrible numbers for a supposed WHL sniper-superstar, team leader.


He has been injured most of the season Einstein. Hip and shoulder injuries still are not completely healed.
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Re: Canucks select Bo Horvat with the #9 pick

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:51 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Hunter Shinkaruk 5 goals, 11 assists in 18 games with Medicine Hat. Terrible numbers for a supposed WHL sniper-superstar, team leader.


He has been injured most of the season Einstein. Hip and shoulder injuries still are not completely healed.


at 5'-10" - 180 lbs Hunter is going to have to be a lot better point production wise to survive the rigors against the men of the NHL. A bit concerning his small frame is starting to show signs of wear and tear. That being said, he's a young man, should have been heeled long ago from those injuries, he's had a clean bill of health for a while now, no excuses for him getting cut and players like Leafs prospect - Gauthier making the team instead or the the two kids who were drafted with the picks we gave up for the great shut down play of Sami Pahlsson.
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Re: Canucks select Bo Horvat with the #9 pick

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:44 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Hunter Shinkaruk 5 goals, 11 assists in 18 games with Medicine Hat. Terrible numbers for a supposed WHL sniper-superstar, team leader.


He has been injured most of the season Einstein. Hip and shoulder injuries still are not completely healed.


If he didn't have a clean bill of health he wouldn't have been cleared for the trip to Europe before the final cuts. He has been playing for a while in Medicine Hat, it's not like he's old man Sami Salo. The only argument is that he could be behind the rest of the kids, but his play since coming back from IR has been very sub par for him. Why? His bread and butter is racking up the goals/points. That's the only way this kid makes it to the NHL, point producing, he's not like Horvat where he possesses a great 200 foot two way game. His lottery ticket is the blueline in.
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Re: Canucks select Bo Horvat with the #9 pick

Postby Arachnid » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:15 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Hunter Shinkaruk 5 goals, 11 assists in 18 games with Medicine Hat. Terrible numbers for a supposed WHL sniper-superstar, team leader.


He has been injured most of the season Einstein. Hip and shoulder injuries still are not completely healed.


If he didn't have a clean bill of health he wouldn't have been cleared for the trip to Europe before the final cuts. He has been playing for a while in Medicine Hat, it's not like he's old man Sami Salo. The only argument is that he could be behind the rest of the kids, but his play since coming back from IR has been very sub par for him. Why? His bread and butter is racking up the goals/points. That's the only way this kid makes it to the NHL, point producing, he's not like Horvat where he possesses a great 200 foot two way game. His lottery ticket is the blueline in.


And yet, despite his injuries and being drafted in later rounds he was still invited over many others ahead of him.
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Re: Canucks select Bo Horvat with the #9 pick

Postby Tciso » Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:27 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Hunter Shinkaruk 5 goals, 11 assists in 18 games with Medicine Hat. Terrible numbers for a supposed WHL sniper-superstar, team leader.


He has been injured most of the season Einstein. Hip and shoulder injuries still are not completely healed.


If he didn't have a clean bill of health he wouldn't have been cleared for the trip to Europe before the final cuts.


Do you read what you type?? Being cleared to play doesn't mean you are back at 100% game shape. He's had a niggling hip injury all year. For a speedster, not having top gear sucks. But, he's still almost a ppg guy this year. He earned the tryout, but obviously, between injuries and missed games, didn't earn a spot on the roster.
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Re: Canucks select Bo Horvat with the #9 pick

Postby Diehard1 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:05 am

RoyalDude wrote:
Diehard1 wrote:Shinkaruk has a bad hip and bad shoulder, was nowhere near himself. He needs to now stop worrying about the world juniors and take some time off to heal, no use in playing at 50%.

We should all thank Nonis and Burke for putting together this Canucks team, even though only 6 of the 23 (2 for Burke, 3 for Nonis) were their doing. Cheveldayoff is the one to thank for Burrows. That leaves 17 for Gillis, so I figure he should get some of the credit at some point. I think the backhanded compliment you gave Gillis for Horvat is a big step for you RD.


I don't think you have enough excuses in their for Shinkaruk, Diehard. How about this, 'he sucked'. But hey, I mean how long has he been back from his injury, the young man? Maybe this might explain why he fell from the top 10 to us in the draft????

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Gillis Players if Canucks are healthy (Gillis, manager for last 6 seasons)

Forwards

Booth
Higgins
Santorelli
Kassian
Sestito
Weise
Richardson

Previous Managements Forwards (7 Seasons Ago)

Hank Sedin
Dank Sedin
Ryan Kesler
Alex Burrows
Janik Hansen

Gillis Defesneman (GM for last 6 seasons)

Hamhius
Garrison
Tanev
Stanton

Previous Managements (7 Seasons ago) players

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Bieksa

Gillis Goalie - Lack
Previous Management Goalie - Luongo

This team is nothing without the Previous Management Group

Sedin
Sedin
Kesler
Burrows
Hansen
Bieksa
Edler
Luongo

Take these 8 off the team and we are worse than Buffalo and Edmonton combined.


Alex Burrows had nothing to do with previous management, he was a Moose signing so take him off the list, your buddy Nonis doesn't get credit there. How's he doing in a Toronto anyway?

As for Shinkaruk, he was injured, period. Yep he sucked but how about you actually look at the cause for once?

Gillis has been GM for 5 years, not 6, so those guys were from 6 seasons ago, not 7. He built the entire D corps aside from Edler who has been beyond awful this year, and Bieksa who is a solid member of the team. I think Hamhuis, Garrison, Stanton, Tanev is a pretty good track record of guys for 5 seasons - in fact it's pretty damn fantastic. Up front he's got some work to do, so let's see what he does. No matter what it is I'm sure you'll figure out some way to say he sucks.
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Re: Canucks select Bo Horvat with the #9 pick

Postby Topper » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:41 am

Diehard1 wrote:As for Shinkaruk, he was injured, period. Yep he sucked but how about you actually look at the cause for once?

He did, GMMG drafted him.
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Re: Canucks select Bo Horvat with the #9 pick

Postby Hockey Widow » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:19 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Sedin
Sedin
Kesler
Burrows
Hansen
Bieksa
Edler
Luongo

Take these 8 off the team and we are worse than Buffalo and Edmonton combined.


Besides being "past management" gets for the team, what else do these guys have in common?

I know you wanna say it Dude! Come on, get it out. Shy?

OK I'll let you off the hook. What they all have in common is that MG got all of them re-signed. Yep, didn't lose one to FA, not a one. I know I know , for some reason that doesn't count when assessing the entire body of a GM's work but you count it when one gets away, like Ehrhoff.
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