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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:25 pm
by tantalum
Mondi wrote:I thought the idea was to go for it with this core. And the idea in trading CS was to acquire parts to help this season.

It's nice to have a good prospect, but this guy isn't projected to be a franchise player so I fail to see how this deal helps the Sedins, Kesler and gang win this season or next.

Is Bo Horvat going to lead us to the promise land in 2020? Is that the idea here?
I think that over the last several years it is becoming apparent that goaltenders just don't bring that return. You weren't going to get a star in waiting on an ELC...especially with the cap going down. You aren't going to get an established star on reasonable contract to step in as a game changer up front or on the blueline. If you trade Schneider for "now" you get filler I'm afraid. The only choice is to trade a goaltender for future and only one goaltender provided any sort of return in that regard.

Ignore projections at this time. Projections don't mean shit. Giroux didn't project to be a franchise player yet within a handful of years he was. Fact is the experts have no clue about who and who isn't a franchise player beyond the first pick or two.

I still think the Isles, Florida, and Flyers are kicking themselves.

Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:27 pm
by Strangelove
BurningBeard wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:I don't think a lot of folks realize how good a prospect Horvat is. This kid is good. We just need prospect wingers now, centre is set.
I only follow junior hockey when the WJHC are on, but it sounds like he has everything you want in a center. Question is, is he good enough to be slotted into our lineup this season? If that's the case, I think many will see the deal as a win.
Here's hoping BOHO is the real deal. :thumbs:

Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:43 pm
by Arbour
It's not over yet, Gillis has 16 players signed and is now only $1mil below the cap. Sad to see Corey go but if there is no decent market for Lou then so be it. Horvat looks like he will fill a need and has a potential upside.

Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:45 pm
by RoyalDude
Arbour wrote:It's not over yet, Gillis has 16 players signed and is now only $1mil below the cap. Sad to see Corey go but if there is no decent market for Lou then so be it. Horvat looks like he will fill a need and has a potential upside.
Ballard will have to get moved for a bag of pucks. Or Aquamarine will have to bite the bullet and buy him out.

Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:46 pm
by tantalum
Hey maybe Gillis goes the extra bold route and also moves Luongo!

I'd like to see it just to watch the frenzy on the boards.

Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:47 pm
by Topper
Hockey Widow wrote:As I said all along, MG was in a no win situation. No matter what he did he would be criticized but here we have our own beloved RD liking the deal. Hell has frozen over.

We pick up 4 million in cap, get younger, get a centre and get the drama over.

Luongo will report, he will say all the right things , he will be fine. He will be excited when camp roles around. This sis his team again. Well, until Lack....
RoyalDude wrote:I don't think a lot of folks realize how good a prospect Horvat is. This kid is good. We just need prospect wingers now, centre is set.

I'm surprised with today's events. Fully expected nothing or a dumb ass trade rivalling the Ballard trade
and to reiterate what HW mentioned earlier, GMMG called the bluff on all those GM's waiting for the Luongo situation to force a buyout or dump.

I still have a gut feeling Luongo is in play, but the balance just shifted further into GMMG's court.

How does that Nonis deadline day rumour look now?

For those not liking the value, consider the Pommiville, JBou and Iggie deals for lesser 1st round picks.

Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:51 pm
by Hockey Widow
Duthie just reported that Luongo does not want to do any interviews, he is in shock and needs to speak to his agent. This is why MG said he hasn't spoken to Luongo yet, needs to let things die down and the emotion to pass. He knows Luongo and knows to just stay quiet and let it sink in.

Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:58 pm
by Strangelove
tantalum wrote: Hey maybe Gillis goes the extra bold route and also moves Luongo!
I've already said that.... TWICE! :thumbs:

And no I was not just trying to cover my butt. :lol:

Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:59 pm
by Diehard1
RoyalDude wrote:The call in gang at 1040 are a real intelligent bunch. Mad that Gillis didn't get a star player that can help now. Do they realize how screwed this team is with the cap? Idiots

I feel a bit better about our future up front, now. All thumbs up to the deal, stays competitive now but enhances the future outlook.
Amazing - but I agree with you. This made sense. Now picking up Shinkaruk as well? Two offensive prospects, guys who were both rated top 15 in the consensus best draft in 10 years. I like it, though again would have liked to see a roster player as well.

At least the cap issues are more or less over now, assuming Ballard is bought out as well. Allows the team to rather easily keep Edler too.

Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:59 pm
by Arbour
RoyalDude wrote:Ballard will have to get moved for a bag of pucks. Or Aquamarine will have to bite the bullet and buy him out.
Ballard and more if Gillis is going to fill out his roster. 5 players plus Tanev who is no doubt looking for a raise.

Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:01 pm
by Jovocop
tantalum wrote:Hey maybe Gillis goes the extra bold route and also moves Luongo!

I'd like to see it just to watch the frenzy on the boards.
That would be a real bold move.

Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:01 pm
by Diehard1
Arbour wrote:It's not over yet, Gillis has 16 players signed and is now only $1mil below the cap. Sad to see Corey go but if there is no decent market for Lou then so be it. Horvat looks like he will fill a need and has a potential upside.
Hes $4 million below the cap with 16 signed. Needs to sign Tanev, a 3rd line center and maybe another winger, but there's room again assuming Ballard is gone.

Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:05 pm
by Strangelove
Diehard1 wrote:Allows the team to rather easily keep Edler too.
Keeping Edler was never going to be a problem given a goalie + Ballard were going to be traded.

Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:09 pm
by Hockey Widow
Well if Luongo retires we save a boatload too.

Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:14 pm
by Boston Canucker
Shocking move, and like Luongo I don't want to do any interviews until I have fully absorbed this. I thought MG could get more for CS, seems like Lou Lam has set up his net really well now. I don't know much about Horvat but if he is Bergeron like, truly, then we can clearly live with the deal...we'll see. Man, Canuck land is a circus these days, can't wait for RL's first interview...or tweet!