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Re: Vancouver Canucks hire coach John Tortorella

Post by herb » Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:28 pm

I know shot blocking is the latest lame Vancouver media attempt at creating a narrative, but the Sharks were credited with 18 blocked shots last night. You’re also going to block a hell of a lot of shots when you end up killing eight freaking penalties.

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Re: Vancouver Canucks hire coach John Tortorella

Post by Rumsfeld » Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:30 pm

herb wrote:I know shot blocking is the latest lame Vancouver media attempt at creating a narrative, but the Sharks were credited with 18 blocked shots last night. You’re also going to block a hell of a lot of shots when you end up killing eight freaking penalties.
Watch us lead the league in penalties AND blocked shots while getting the fewest number of PPs.
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Re: Vancouver Canucks hire coach John Tortorella

Post by herb » Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:36 pm

^ Haha that would not be a recipe for success!

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Re: Vancouver Canucks hire coach John Tortorella

Post by Cookie La Rue » Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:46 pm

Btw does shot blocking mean to block it from your own team mates? The thing Daniel hit was a try to get it out of the own zone...
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Re: Vancouver Canucks hire coach John Tortorella

Post by RoyalDude » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:30 pm

It's obvious that mike gillis has carte Blanche around here with most of you, like if he was banging your old lady you'd be at bedside with your poms poms cheering him on "Miley you're the best" but did your buddy the players agent just hire John "Bill Laforge" Torterella?

It was funny hearing Doug MacLeans views on blocking shots and how much harder guys are shooting the pucks in todays game. In other words, it's fucking don cherry old school and guys will get hurt, as we are already seeing. Ain't worth it
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Re: Vancouver Canucks hire coach John Tortorella

Post by ukcanuck » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:11 pm

RoyalDude wrote:It's obvious that mike gillis has carte Blanche around here with most of you, like if he was banging your old lady you'd be at bedside with your poms poms cheering him on "Miley you're the best" but did your buddy the players agent just hire John "Bill Laforge" Torterella?

It was funny hearing Doug MacLeans views on blocking shots and how much harder guys are shooting the pucks in todays game. In other words, it's fucking don cherry old school and guys will get hurt, as we are already seeing. Ain't worth it
Dude that droning sound above your head is the point in blocking shots going right over your head...

Its not the direct result of a blocked shot that counts, although that is desirable (a scoring chance eliminated.) Its the effort and dedication and willingness to sacrifice the body to win that is the POINT. This team has been powder puff soft since before Burke got canned, and its pretty obvious to everyone including you that this line up was cowed by the Bruins in 2011, and has been pretty much twinky filling since their "revenge" game in Boston in 2012...

It matter's fuck all if the entire line up goes down to broken legs blocking shots this season if they are just gonna play perimeter hockey and skate away from midget rats in the final..

Torts is just making the changes most of us on here have wanted since Sedin was speed bagged...

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Re: Vancouver Canucks hire coach John Tortorella

Post by dbr » Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:00 pm

Couple of thoughts on things that have been brought up.

The Sharks were credited with.... it's tough to take seriously what the Sharks were credited with in San Jose, their scorekeeper is pretty trigger happy and it's a major reason why when people try to make something meaningful out of more subjective stats (hits for example) they often try to correct for scorekeeper bias by using only road statistics.

As for shot blocking in general and comparing the Rangers and Canucks over the last few years, reasonably intelligent blogger Tyler Dellow took a look at this past season and found that the Rangers actually blocked fewer than average shots by defensemen and far far more than average shots by forwards (the Canucks blocked far fewer shots by forwards than average across the league), and also had their opponents forward attempt fewer shots as well.

So it would seem that Tortorella's club blocked more shots of the kind that we'd probably all agree are more dangerous (the ones taken by forwards) and that there is at the very least an indication that their style of defense also discouraged more dangerous shot attempts as well.

here is the post btw.

Anyway you'd probably have to look at these figures over several years but if the Canucks collapsing down in front of their own net means a higher percentage of shots are taken from less dangerous areas and that fewer of the more dangerous shots get through to the net, that is a good thing.

I do agree that piling up this particular statistic is not a good sign for a possession team (ie. the Ryan Johnson effect) but I don't think that being near the top is the worst thing in the world if there's reason to believe you're doing it right.

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Re: Vancouver Canucks hire coach John Tortorella

Post by RoyalDude » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:32 pm

ukcanuck wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:It's obvious that mike gillis has carte Blanche around here with most of you, like if he was banging your old lady you'd be at bedside with your poms poms cheering him on "Miley you're the best" but did your buddy the players agent just hire John "Bill Laforge" Torterella?

It was funny hearing Doug MacLeans views on blocking shots and how much harder guys are shooting the pucks in todays game. In other words, it's fucking don cherry old school and guys will get hurt, as we are already seeing. Ain't worth it
Dude that droning sound above your head is the point in blocking shots going right over your head...

Its not the direct result of a blocked shot that counts, although that is desirable (a scoring chance eliminated.) Its the effort and dedication and willingness to sacrifice the body to win that is the POINT. This team has been powder puff soft since before Burke got canned, and its pretty obvious to everyone including you that this line up was cowed by the Bruins in 2011, and has been pretty much twinky filling since their "revenge" game in Boston in 2012...

It matter's fuck all if the entire line up goes down to broken legs blocking shots this season if they are just gonna play perimeter hockey and skate away from midget rats in the final..

Torts is just making the changes most of us on here have wanted since Sedin was speed bagged...
Oh yeah, shot blocking really sets teams apart in the toughness department. Really, really does.

Keep on entertaining me with your idiotness uk. I love it.
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Re: Vancouver Canucks hire coach John Tortorella

Post by Island Nucklehead » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:45 pm

RoyalDude wrote: Oh yeah, shot blocking really sets teams apart in the toughness department. Really, really does.

Keep on entertaining me with your idiotness uk. I love it.
Well it does have some motivational aspects for sure. When a guy lays out and blocks a shot it does give a boost to the team. You might not think it's a big factor, but it is a factor.

I think the biggest reason Tortorella wants his guys to block shots is out of necessity. He likes to have his players play lower towards their own net, and that can leave the opposing D open and with more time. So to take some of that time away, the forwards need to get into the shooting lanes sooner. It would be nice if we didn't have to block so many shots, but allowing a shooting gallery from the point is a guaranteed way to lose games.

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Re: Vancouver Canucks hire coach John Tortorella

Post by dbr » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:24 pm

If 2013 is any indication, Tortorella does allow "a shooting gallery from the point"..

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..relative to most of the other teams in the league at any rate.

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Re: Vancouver Canucks hire coach John Tortorella

Post by Uncle dans leg » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:57 pm

I love the Sedins on seperate lines. It's like adding another 1st line.

I've been calling for this for years.
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Re: Vancouver Canucks hire coach John Tortorella

Post by Island Nucklehead » Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:14 am

dbr wrote:If 2013 is any indication, Tortorella does allow "a shooting gallery from the point"..

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..relative to most of the other teams in the league at any rate.
It's also worth noting that the NYR were 10th in the league in shots allowed last year. Still, graph shows why his forwards have to block shots. Some of it is "for the team", but I'd argue most of it is because you don't want that D-man to have all day to "wire a Garrison" from the slot. If you're going to out-number and support down low, the trade off is more time for their "D" up high.

At any rate, I think Canuck fans have made too big of a deal about this. The Canucks have proven they can't "flip the switch" to a greasier, grittier playoff style when it counts. Torts is going to demand that type of style (collapse on your goalie, hard on the walls, make/take a hit to make the play etc.) all season long. If our players are too fragile for that system, then we'll never go far in the playoffs anyways.

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Re: Vancouver Canucks hire coach John Tortorella

Post by ukcanuck » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:05 am

RoyalDude wrote:
ukcanuck wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:It's obvious that mike gillis has carte Blanche around here with most of you, like if he was banging your old lady you'd be at bedside with your poms poms cheering him on "Miley you're the best" but did your buddy the players agent just hire John "Bill Laforge" Torterella?

It was funny hearing Doug MacLeans views on blocking shots and how much harder guys are shooting the pucks in todays game. In other words, it's fucking don cherry old school and guys will get hurt, as we are already seeing. Ain't worth it
Dude that droning sound above your head is the point in blocking shots going right over your head...

Its not the direct result of a blocked shot that counts, although that is desirable (a scoring chance eliminated.) Its the effort and dedication and willingness to sacrifice the body to win that is the POINT. This team has been powder puff soft since before Burke got canned, and its pretty obvious to everyone including you that this line up was cowed by the Bruins in 2011, and has been pretty much twinky filling since their "revenge" game in Boston in 2012...

It matter's fuck all if the entire line up goes down to broken legs blocking shots this season if they are just gonna play perimeter hockey and skate away from midget rats in the final..

Torts is just making the changes most of us on here have wanted since Sedin was speed bagged...
Oh yeah, shot blocking really sets teams apart in the toughness department. Really, really does.

Keep on entertaining me with your idiotness uk. I love it.
It's not the shot blocking dud it's the willingness to sacrifice the body.
That is tough, ask your liver about sacrifice there wheat belly..

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Re: Vancouver Canucks hire coach John Tortorella

Post by ukcanuck » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:09 am

Uncle dans leg wrote:I love the Sedins on seperate lines. It's like adding another 1st line.

I've been calling for this for years.
Just the willingness to separate the twins is a breath of fresh air.
The team under AV was sooo stale and predictable

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Re: Vancouver Canucks hire coach John Tortorella

Post by The Brown Knight » Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:47 am

Although I was skeptical of the hiring at first, and although it's still way too early to tell obviously, I have really liked the presence of John Tortortella so far. The Canucks have looked gritter and tougher on the puck in this short season so far.

I also like the fact that Torts stuck it to CBC. He made Glen Healy look a little foolish from my perspective.
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