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Re: Coaches canned

Postby tantalum » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:31 pm

yeah I think the second round interviewees were Torts, Stevens, Ruff and Arniel. I suspect Torts and Stevens are far and away the front runners. Torts apparently impressed significantly in his first interview to get the second one that, from some of what I read, they weren't really expecting to give him when they invited him for the first one. I've been in that sort of situation where you think you know who you want to hire and all of sudden this guy you never expected to make a favourable impression demonstrates they'd be fantastic for the job. When that happens it's hard to stop the momentum so I would not be shocked at all that Torts wins the job.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Boston Canucker » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:07 pm

I hope they go with Stevens, not Tortorella. Stevens' work with LA seems impressive, and he's coached at all levels, with many different types of players. My issue with Torts is not his personality, but that I actually don't think he gets the best out of his players, or if he does it is very short term, wears them out. I don't think he got the best out of Nash or Gaborik for eg., and NYR's pp and general offense was not the least bit impressive. I'm really not interested in us becoming team shotblock...no evidence this leads to Cups. I sense Stevens is the better choice, hope MG goes this way.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby sagebrush » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:08 pm

Sather Blames Lack Of Offense And Puck Possession On Tortorella

'If you look at these playoff games (like the Stanley Cup Finals matchup) you're gonna see tonight, the style that they play, I mean there's not a hell of a lot of dump-ins,' Sather said.' (I) mean, (if) you have to dump the puck in, you have to dump it. But there's a lot of puck control and hanging onto the puck and moving the puck out, and there's not stopping behind the net to gain control. There's a lot of things that are done differently than what we were doing. So you have to look at the style of play. That had a lot to do with (the decision to fire Tortorella), too.'"


It's a fair point at face value from Sather. The Bruins and Blackhawks and Penguins and Kings have had successful seasons and deep playoff runs in part because of offense, obviously, but also puck possession. And in both areas the Rangers struggled heavily.

But here is where things start to unravel for the 69-year-old GM. Coaching has something to do with it for sure, but perhaps the biggest reason that some of these teams have such success offensively and in holding the puck lies in player personnel and not necessarily a tactical philosophy. The Penguins have Crosby, Malkin, and Letang. The Blackhawks have Kane, Toews, Hossa, Seabrook, and so on. The Bruins don't really match that, but then again the Bruins don't play too different from how John Tortorella's Rangers did. The difference being that their personnel play the system better than ours did.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby SKYO » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:22 pm

If they do hire Torts maybe the solution would be is to hire a superb offensive minded associate coach to handle those duties, with torts kicking butt when needed.

It'd be similar to hiring Stevens, with the assistant coaches being quite important as well, anyways I do hope the coach gets to pick and choose his associates.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby tantalum » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:25 pm

Those teams pass all the time. They are quick teams because they are constantly moving the puck. When they click it looks tremendous (though when they don't it looks like last nights game). The canucks were the same way in 2011.


Rick Nash has yet to make a pass in his career so good luck with trying to mimic that type of play with your first line Slats.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Strangelove » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:29 pm

SKYO wrote:If they do hire Torts maybe the solution would be is to hire a superb offensive minded associate coach to handle those duties, with torts kicking butt when needed.

It'd be similar to hiring Stevens, with the assistant coaches being quite important as well, anyways I do hope the coach gets to pick and choose his associates.


Yeah, is there any talk about possible assistant coaches?

If it's Stevens coming in can I dream about him bringing Robinson with him from California? :look:

Next season is an option season for Robinson, dunno if it's team option/his option/or both.

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Re: Coaches canned

Postby ESQ » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:55 pm

Boston Canucker wrote:I hope they go with Stevens, not Tortorella. Stevens' work with LA seems impressive, and he's coached at all levels, with many different types of players. My issue with Torts is not his personality, but that I actually don't think he gets the best out of his players, or if he does it is very short term, wears them out. I don't think he got the best out of Nash or Gaborik for eg., and NYR's pp and general offense was not the least bit impressive. I'm really not interested in us becoming team shotblock...no evidence this leads to Cups. I sense Stevens is the better choice, hope MG goes this way.

I disagree somewhat there, Gaborik did have his career best seasons under Torts, hitting 40 goals twice. Nash is a 60-70 point player, who puts in 30+ goals. Nash's first season under Torts had him at a 80 point pace (would have been a career year) and almost 40 goals.

I do agree that Nash and others took big steps back under Torts in the playoffs this year. On the one hand its troubling to see the players not respond at the critical time of year, on the other hand the NYR run this year was quite remarkable considering how little offensive production they got from their stars.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Arachnid » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:10 pm

Strangelove wrote:
SKYO wrote:If they do hire Torts maybe the solution would be is to hire a superb offensive minded associate coach to handle those duties, with torts kicking butt when needed.

It'd be similar to hiring Stevens, with the assistant coaches being quite important as well, anyways I do hope the coach gets to pick and choose his associates.


Yeah, is there any talk about possible assistant coaches?

If it's Stevens coming in can I dream about him bringing Robinson with him from California? :look:

Next season is an option season for Robinson, dunno if it's team option/his option/or both.

http://www.fearthefin.com/2012/7/9/3147 ... iate-coach


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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Strangelove » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:18 pm

Arachnid wrote:Coach usually hires his assis...


Usually, but that hasn't always been controlfreak Gillis' way amirite?
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:48 pm

The problem with the NYR was they gave up so much of their depth and role players to get the players they wanted and they had little to no cap to replace them with quality players. When Pit won they had a ton of role players and depth. Detroit has always had that. Chicago and Boston too. The Rangers however lost too much in going for home runs every time out. With no support your stars can only take you so far.

When we had our run in 2011 we had depth and good role players, especially before Manny got hurt.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby SKYO » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:44 pm

Which assistant coaches did Torts have before? :o

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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Strangelove » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:04 pm

SKYO wrote:Which assistant coaches did Torts have before? :o


In New York it was Jim Schoenfeld and Mike Sullivan.

But they didn't get canned.

And Sullivan is the heir apparent to Slats so....

Not sure who his assistants in Tampa were.

But I'm sure a guy like Torts would love to choose his assistants.

I'm sure he would have quite a few in mind at this point.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:44 pm

Maybe Manny will be one although I hear he thinks he can still play and will try to get a contract come July 1, or whatever date it is this year.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Strangelove » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:54 pm

Some folks out there are saying Bob McKenzie just tweeted that the Canucks have signed Tortorella?, then it he deleted it about 5 seconds later. Brace yourselves....
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby RoyalDude » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:57 pm

Awesome, I love this, if rumors are true. Torts will be entertaining on many levels. I wonder who the first local scribe will be whom he calls out and embarrasses? I love this signing, mainly cause I hate 90% of the local sports media. We've been needing someone like this for a while. Thumbs up Gillis. Torts is nuts.
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