Re: Coaches canned
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:25 pm
I don't care about Torts relationship to the media, it's whether he can coach this team in the playoffs. On that account, I'm not a fan.
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Someone actually managed to chase Thinker a way? Sorry I missed that.Topper wrote:My young son, he's three, I shouldn't be grandfather for at least another ten years, corrected me for using foul language the other day.
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Rickster chased Thinker away.
Rickster, you are number 1 (one) in my books. A true
Well for starters I'll say that most places where employees get comfortable and complacent, make good money, and almost never experience any repercussions for mailing it in 75% of the time, those places tend to stay stale. Those are often places that started out with some real enthusiastic people who were comfortable if they didn't do their best because they knew that at the end of the day they were still getting their paycheque. Ironically, most of these people that sit in the under producing desks, or whatever, are seasoned professionals who are approaching mid-life, it's strange, but they have gone into coast mode and their real passions are elsewhere now (kids, spouse, hobbies, message boards, etc.), so they spend their energy where it best suits them. These working environments are where upper management suddenly realizes that the lower floors aren't actually getting it done, so they remove the middle management and replace him with someone who they feel can inject some fresh life into the current group. If that fails, heads start to roll. Sometimes that backfires and you upper management gets a little too excited about someone's resume and how he gave their competition an edge a few years ago, so they hire an over-zealous fellow who is secretly working on his own version of Mein Kampf and his head explodes with delusions of personal grandeur. Generally a few heads have rolled, sometimes the wrong ones, and you end up with a fairly disgruntled bunch of employees, so upper management rights the ship, kicks the ego maniac out, and gets someone else. The new guy comes in, has some relatively new faces to work with, and some of them have learned the benefits of slaving away, even if it is out of fear, and with some guidance they really flourish and the "floor" is producing again. Then the cycle may repeat itself depending on a few variables.Arachnid wrote:What a load of crap. Flown Westjet lately? Employees are more than capable to rise above given the choice.Mëds wrote: Maybe Gillis has finally woken up to the smell of stale shit that is coming from the locker room.
Hopefully he was also unimpressed with Bieksa's comments in the Province about not needing a coach to crack the whip.....generally I find that "employees" state what they want under the headline of what they need. I most cases employees prefer a comfortable and complacent work environment that minimizes pressure and consequences for failures.
Fuck the boss/coach that treats others like shyte.
These players are adults, extremely well paid professionals and know what they need. Look what happened under Keenan...I don't know about you but I never want to go through that again.
That said. If a player or team is shit then they deserve a coaches/GMs wrath.
AV losty the room is all, it happens all the time. You do not fill the room with bile.
Mëds is that how it works at the bc ambulance service? Shit floats down to the lowest common denominator huh? seems to me that floating at 75 % would be a one way ticket out of the NHL pretty damn fast unless your name is Yashin...oh wait...Mëds wrote:Well for starters I'll say that most places where employees get comfortable and complacent, make good money, and almost never experience any repercussions for mailing it in 75% of the time, those places tend to stay stale. Those are often places that started out with some real enthusiastic people who were comfortable if they didn't do their best because they knew that at the end of the day they were still getting their paycheque. Ironically, most of these people that sit in the under producing desks, or whatever, are seasoned professionals who are approaching mid-life, it's strange, but they have gone into coast mode and their real passions are elsewhere now (kids, spouse, hobbies, message boards, etc.), so they spend their energy where it best suits them. These working environments are where upper management suddenly realizes that the lower floors aren't actually getting it done, so they remove the middle management and replace him with someone who they feel can inject some fresh life into the current group. If that fails, heads start to roll. Sometimes that backfires and you upper management gets a little too excited about someone's resume and how he gave their competition an edge a few years ago, so they hire an over-zealous fellow who is secretly working on his own version of Mein Kampf and his head explodes with delusions of personal grandeur. Generally a few heads have rolled, sometimes the wrong ones, and you end up with a fairly disgruntled bunch of employees, so upper management rights the ship, kicks the ego maniac out, and gets someone else. The new guy comes in, has some relatively new faces to work with, and some of them have learned the benefits of slaving away, even if it is out of fear, and with some guidance they really flourish and the "floor" is producing again. Then the cycle may repeat itself depending on a few variables.Arachnid wrote:What a load of crap. Flown Westjet lately? Employees are more than capable to rise above given the choice.Mëds wrote: Maybe Gillis has finally woken up to the smell of stale shit that is coming from the locker room.
Hopefully he was also unimpressed with Bieksa's comments in the Province about not needing a coach to crack the whip.....generally I find that "employees" state what they want under the headline of what they need. I most cases employees prefer a comfortable and complacent work environment that minimizes pressure and consequences for failures.
Fuck the boss/coach that treats others like shyte.
These players are adults, extremely well paid professionals and know what they need. Look what happened under Keenan...I don't know about you but I never want to go through that again.
That said. If a player or team is shit then they deserve a coaches/GMs wrath.
AV losty the room is all, it happens all the time. You do not fill the room with bile.
Sounds familiar eh.....
Oh and one more thing, it would be wise to remember that most, if not all, Westjet employees are also Westjet share holders. I believe it is still an employee owned and operated company, but all of them are expected to maintain a certain level of performance. They have a personal stake in it. NHL players (on one-way contracts) do not stand to lose a dime of their promised salary if they mail it in.
Wotta load of horse bileMëds wrote:Well for starters I'll say that most places where employees get comfortable and complacent, make good money, and almost never experience any repercussions for mailing it in 75% of the time, those places tend to stay stale. Those are often places that started out with some real enthusiastic people who were comfortable if they didn't do their best because they knew that at the end of the day they were still getting their paycheque. Ironically, most of these people that sit in the under producing desks, or whatever, are seasoned professionals who are approaching mid-life, it's strange, but they have gone into coast mode and their real passions are elsewhere now (kids, spouse, hobbies, message boards, etc.), so they spend their energy where it best suits them. These working environments are where upper management suddenly realizes that the lower floors aren't actually getting it done, so they remove the middle management and replace him with someone who they feel can inject some fresh life into the current group. If that fails, heads start to roll. Sometimes that backfires and you upper management gets a little too excited about someone's resume and how he gave their competition an edge a few years ago, so they hire an over-zealous fellow who is secretly working on his own version of Mein Kampf and his head explodes with delusions of personal grandeur. Generally a few heads have rolled, sometimes the wrong ones, and you end up with a fairly disgruntled bunch of employees, so upper management rights the ship, kicks the ego maniac out, and gets someone else. The new guy comes in, has some relatively new faces to work with, and some of them have learned the benefits of slaving away, even if it is out of fear, and with some guidance they really flourish and the "floor" is producing again. Then the cycle may repeat itself depending on a few variables.Arachnid wrote:What a load of crap. Flown Westjet lately? Employees are more than capable to rise above given the choice.Mëds wrote: Maybe Gillis has finally woken up to the smell of stale shit that is coming from the locker room.
Hopefully he was also unimpressed with Bieksa's comments in the Province about not needing a coach to crack the whip.....generally I find that "employees" state what they want under the headline of what they need. I most cases employees prefer a comfortable and complacent work environment that minimizes pressure and consequences for failures.
Fuck the boss/coach that treats others like shyte.
These players are adults, extremely well paid professionals and know what they need. Look what happened under Keenan...I don't know about you but I never want to go through that again.
That said. If a player or team is shit then they deserve a coaches/GMs wrath.
AV losty the room is all, it happens all the time. You do not fill the room with bile.
Sounds familiar eh.....
Oh and one more thing, it would be wise to remember that most, if not all, Westjet employees are also Westjet share holders. I believe it is still an employee owned and operated company, but all of them are expected to maintain a certain level of performance. They have a personal stake in it. NHL players (on one-way contracts) do not stand to lose a dime of their promised salary if they mail it in.
Why would it be surprising? AV IS a good coach. His record speaks to that. He has over 400 wins as a head coach and onyl one losing season. Of course he was going to be snapped up quickly.ukcanuck wrote:Does it make anyone else nervous that the coach we canned got rehired immediately and seemingly had his pick of jobs too?
Not that I think Gillis should be the guy to walk the plank exactly but wonder if/ when gillis is shitcanned will he land on his feet so seemlessly?
not at all, AV is a good coach but has gone stale in Vancouver. MG is MG, he does things in his own way and now 2 weeks away from FA I don't expect to see any bold moves. I expect RL to be traded but that is it. The core is the core and will remain once the season starts.ukcanuck wrote:Does it make anyone else nervous that the coach we canned got rehired immediately and seemingly had his pick of jobs too?
Not that I think Gillis should be the guy to walk the plank exactly but wonder if/ when gillis is shitcanned will he land on his feet so seemlessly?
That fact doesn't really make me nervous, and doesn't surprise me either. Vigneault is a very good coach whose resume is probably the best among who was available (SC championships notwithstanding).ukcanuck wrote:Does it make anyone else nervous that the coach we canned got rehired immediately and seemingly had his pick of jobs too?
Not that I think Gillis should be the guy to walk the plank exactly but wonder if/ when gillis is shitcanned will he land on his feet so seemlessly?