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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Hank » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:40 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Just heard that Torts is not the number one choice at this point. Maybe his interview didn't go well.

Still high on the list but word is that the Canucks believe, hope, that Tippet will be available July 1 and that is their guy. So they are doing all the interviews with all other available candidates and sort of ranking them but are waiting and will wait to see if tippet becomes available. If he does I expect them to make him an offer. If they don't get Tippet the plan is to have all the other candidates ranked and ready to make an offer at that point.

So from what I was told today as long as there is a chance that Tippet will become available the Canucks will not be making any coaching offers.


Maybe Fonzie couldn't help himself during the interview and told MG to sit on it?

I wouldn't mind hiring Tippett at this point, his style might be similar to Stevens but his resume with weaker rosters certainly makes him the front-runner.

It would just be weird if AV and Torts ended up swapping teams...
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:45 pm

Anybody concerned that Tippett would turn us into the 2003 Minnesota Wild? The '07 Canucks are about as close to that as I ever want us to go.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Lancer » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:26 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:Anybody concerned that Tippett would turn us into the 2003 Minnesota Wild? The '07 Canucks are about as close to that as I ever want us to go.


Count me in with you, Rummy. I frankly see little to no difference between him and Vigneault in terms of having zero connect with players and just being a 'X's and O's' coach. For all of Phoenix's vaunted high picks and prospects, what prospects (outside of Yandle, and maybe Hanzal) have flourished under him in Phoenix? I don't see a recommendable track record with youngsters. Look how much better Kyle Turris did once he got out from under Tippett's thumb. If he gets hired, I'd be setting roots down in Utica or pulling a Denis Lemieux with my agent if I was Jordan Schroeder. God only knows how he would ruin Kassian or Jensen.

He trapped his teams into the playoffs with no offensive innovation or production. He hasn't won anything - not even a division title. If Tippett gets hired, wake me when both he and Gillis are fired. I won't be able to stay awake, let alone watch.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby rats19 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:30 pm

Is there any coach capable of coaching in an acceptable fashion/level of our Vancouver Canucks
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Lancer » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:36 pm

rats19 wrote:Is there any coach capable of coaching in an acceptable fashion/level of our Vancouver Canucks
Appears not. Not available at least.. Fuck we really are pathetic.. ally devoted


I'm for Stevens, myself. The one constant here, though, is there's no consensus as to who should be the coach.

I almost pity the poor sot, whoever gets hired. :lol:
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby SKYO » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:40 pm

Not worried about Tippett at all, he's the best coach that could be available July 1st, he's already capable of adapting to what players he's dealt in any given situation.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:57 pm

SKYO wrote:Not worried about Tippett at all, he's the best coach that could be available July 1st, he's already capable of adapting to what players he's dealt in any given situation.


Yes, he's already capable of implementing the most boring system imaginable in any given situation.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby dbr » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:48 pm

Lancer wrote:He trapped his teams into the playoffs with no offensive innovation or production. He hasn't won anything - not even a division title. If Tippett gets hired, wake me when both he and Gillis are fired. I won't be able to stay awake, let alone watch.


I think there are some real clear red flags on a guy like Tippett.

Still he is supposed to be an 'advanced stats' guy which is consistent with what the Canucks have done since Mike Gillis took over, he gets results out of his teams that are consistently much better than his roster looks on paper, and it is possible that he has more to offer than what we've seen him do with the hands he's been dealt in Phoenix and Dallas - I don't think anyone expected AV to ever preside over the league's best offense and powerplay either.

By the way Tippett does have a division title in Dallas (his first year, and again in 2005-06). He also has two conference finals appearances, not stellar but not awful either.

For all the talk about the Coyotes' awful offensive output, they were 13th overall in 5 on 5 goals scored in his first year, 9th in his second and third years and dropped down to 15th this past year. It's the powerplay that's done that team in (28th, 23rd, 29th, 25th), and you'd have to think that with vastly more talented players and probably an assistant coach running the powerplays there's little reason Tippett couldn't preside over an effective powerplay here.

I do think his AV-like tendencies with younger players would be a concern, particularly given it seems we are going to try to give some younger players a chance to learn on the fly this season. That being said I don't know if Phoenix's forward prospects are "vaunted," I'm not an expert but I don't see any highly rated forwards that could/should have broken into the league by now.. there is the Kyle Turris thing and they've had some high picks (MacLean, Tikhonov) bust but otherwise we're not talking about a guy doing everything he can to hold back a burgeoning crop of stars. Young defensemen seem to do pretty well there though, Yandle as you mentioned and now Oliver Ekman-Larsson.

Anyway, I would think the Canucks expect their next head coach to be willing to accept a certain degree of "collaboration" with the front office and I would imagine that includes following the mandate that Mike Gillis has already mentioned publicly (giving young players an extended chance to prove themselves at the NHL level, managerial involvement in filling out the coaching staff, etc).. I'd bet that kind of "collaboration," done well, would hedge against a lot of the aspects of Tippett's resume that look unsettling at this point.

All that being said, like herb (I think it was) said earlier, we have no real clue what goes on with these coaches and all we can really do when we find out who the new guy is, is shrug our shoulders and wait to see what happens.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Strangelove » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:39 pm

Strangelove on Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:26 am wrote:Dave Tippett makes Alain Vigneault look like Ryan Walter when it comes to young players.


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And I'll go on record now as being opposed to the degree of "collaboration" it appears GMMG demands.

No self-respecting coach would wanna be a part of dat dere in my ever-so humble opinion.

Mike, you get to hire the coach of your choice... and if you don't like the job he does you fire him.

Also, I believe head coaches should be allowed to bring in their own assistant coaches.

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Re: Coaches canned

Postby rats19 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:45 pm

Yah even the hiring of a coach for is getting strange....
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:49 pm

I've said before that if it won us the cup I could give a fuck whether we did it by winning every game 1-0 in OT.

But it seems to me we have a choice here about what direction we take the team and what kind of hockey our guys play for the next 3-5 years. I think we have the personnel even now to play a much more forecheck-intensive and aggressive style than we have been for the last couple seasons. Our team was hardest to play against afew years ago when we sent two guys deep to check the shit out of folks. AV abandoned that style completely last year for whatever reason.

So yeah, let's bring in some size and skill up front, play some exciting hockey and win that way. :drink:

I think it's a little sad that Stevens is looking like the best available bench-boss for your Vancouver Canucks at this point. If only the Redwings had shit the bed and jettisoned Babs...
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Island Nucklehead » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:59 pm

Can Tippett coach offense? Honestly wondering, because I always recall his teams being painful to watch.

Maybe Gillis' "we want an offensive brand of hockey" really means, we want to offend people when they watch us.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Strangelove » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:02 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:AV abandoned that style completely last year for whatever reason.


"Team management"? :scowl:

I dunno, I keep losing more and more faith in Gillis.

Not sure if RD has brainwashed me...
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Arachnid » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:06 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Rumsfeld wrote:AV abandoned that style completely last year for whatever reason.


"Team management"? :scowl:

I dunno, I keep losing more and more faith in Gillis.

Not sure if RD has brainwashed me...


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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:09 pm

I think MG is like most GM's, he has his say but ultimately lets the coach decide what to do and how to coach. At least I have heard that MG has a lot to say but never to the point of ordering his coach to do something. Last year's playoff's was somewhat of an exception in that MG wanted Cory in net because the team was trying to decide if they were going to trade Cory of Luongo. And in retrospect it may have blown up in his face but it certainly got Luongo willing to waive his NTC.
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