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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Arachnid » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:26 am

Eddy Punch Clock wrote:
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Agreed. I am not a big fan of Tortorella.


Oh God no, Why can't it be Ruff? His wife is Gaye so BD would love her! :thumbs:


Most Gayes do like it Ruff....um... so I'm told.[/quote]

Butt are they Canucks EPC?! ARE THEY CANUCKS?! Tortorella is an asshole :evil:
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby herb » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:34 am

Arachnid wrote:Tortorella is an asshole :evil:


We do want more assholes...right?
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Arachnid » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:43 am

herb wrote:
Arachnid wrote:Tortorella is an asshole :evil:


We do want more assholes...right?


ON THE ICE! Is Q an asshole? No, Is Julian? No. Is Sutter an...oh yeah...Ruff is a bit of an asshole, that's good enough for me :mex:
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby herb » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:52 am

Arachnid wrote:
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Arachnid wrote:Tortorella is an asshole :evil:


We do want more assholes...right?


ON THE ICE! Is Q an asshole? No, Is Julian? No. Is Sutter an...oh yeah...Ruff is a bit of an asshole, that's good enough for me :mex:


Quenneville and Julian are DEFINITELY assholes. They are assholes in different ways than Torts, but they are definitely assholes.

Overall, I tend to agree about Tortorella. His habit of publicly putting guys down and airing of grievances is certainly not my style.

That being said, coaching is sort of a black hole to the fans. We don’t know how these guys perform or act behind the scenes. We don’t know how they think the game or how hard they work. We can witness and pull our hair out about longer trends like AV’s limp dick powerplay or lineup decisions, but overall, it’s hard to gauge how well a coach is really performing aside from wins and losses.

I’m sure Tortorella is an excellent hockey mind and an excellent coach. He is an asshole though, and if he gets hired here I hope he changes his approach to player management.

No matter what happens, I’ll shrug my shoulders, move on and look forward to seeing what happens. I don’t know any of these candidates well enough to have any sort of educated opinion.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Topper » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:10 pm

herb wrote:Overall, I tend to agree. about Tortorella. His habit of publicly putting guys down and airing of grievances is certainly not my style.

It is not the style of GMMG either which is the one thing that puzzles me of the Torts rumours.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby herb » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:19 pm

Topper wrote:It is not the style of GMMG either which is the one thing that puzzles me of the Torts rumours.


Guidance from above perhaps? Friendly advice from GMMG's boss?
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:30 pm

Just heard that Torts is not the number one choice at this point. Maybe his interview didn't go well.

Still high on the list but word is that the Canucks believe, hope, that Tippet will be available July 1 and that is their guy. So they are doing all the interviews with all other available candidates and sort of ranking them but are waiting and will wait to see if tippet becomes available. If he does I expect them to make him an offer. If they don't get Tippet the plan is to have all the other candidates ranked and ready to make an offer at that point.

So from what I was told today as long as there is a chance that Tippet will become available the Canucks will not be making any coaching offers.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Meds » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:33 pm

Topper wrote:
herb wrote:Overall, I tend to agree. about Tortorella. His habit of publicly putting guys down and airing of grievances is certainly not my style.

It is not the style of GMMG either which is the one thing that puzzles me of the Torts rumours.


Maybe Gillis has finally woken up to the smell of stale shit that is coming from the locker room.

Hopefully he was also unimpressed with Bieksa's comments in the Province about not needing a coach to crack the whip.....generally I find that "employees" state what they want under the headline of what they need. I most cases employees prefer a comfortable and complacent work environment that minimizes pressure and consequences for failures.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby SKYO » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:42 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Just heard that Torts is not the number one choice at this point. Maybe his interview didn't go well.

Still high on the list but word is that the Canucks believe, hope, that Tippet will be available July 1 and that is their guy. So they are doing all the interviews with all other available candidates and sort of ranking them but are waiting and will wait to see if tippet becomes available. If he does I expect them to make him an offer. If they don't get Tippet the plan is to have all the other candidates ranked and ready to make an offer at that point.

So from what I was told today as long as there is a chance that Tippet will become available the Canucks will not be making any coaching offers.


Which makes sense, as they said they plan to have a coach in place by July 5th.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Arachnid » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:42 pm

Meds wrote:
Topper wrote:
herb wrote:Overall, I tend to agree. about Tortorella. His habit of publicly putting guys down and airing of grievances is certainly not my style.

It is not the style of GMMG either which is the one thing that puzzles me of the Torts rumours.


Maybe Gillis has finally woken up to the smell of stale shit that is coming from the locker room.

Hopefully he was also unimpressed with Bieksa's comments in the Province about not needing a coach to crack the whip.....generally I find that "employees" state what they want under the headline of what they need. I most cases employees prefer a comfortable and complacent work environment that minimizes pressure and consequences for failures.


What a load of crap. Flown Westjet lately? Employees are more than capable to rise above given the choice.
Fuck the boss/coach that treats others like shyte.
These players are adults, extremely well paid professionals and know what they need. Look what happened under Keenan...I don't know about you but I never want to go through that again.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Arachnid » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:45 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Just heard that Torts is not the number one choice at this point. Maybe his interview didn't go well.

Still high on the list but word is that the Canucks believe, hope, that Tippet will be available July 1 and that is their guy. So they are doing all the interviews with all other available candidates and sort of ranking them but are waiting and will wait to see if tippet becomes available. If he does I expect them to make him an offer. If they don't get Tippet the plan is to have all the other candidates ranked and ready to make an offer at that point.

So from what I was told today as long as there is a chance that Tippet will become available the Canucks will not be making any coaching offers.


I really like Tippet too but the fact remains he has never won a Cup.

Maybe he's hungry, maybe he's safe.

We wait I guess, thanks for the info HW as always...
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Zedlee » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:52 pm

Re Tippet: the City of Glendale has a meeting I think on the 27th of June to decide the fate of the Coyotes. If they don't support the bail out package, then maybe Tippet will be looking for greener pastures. In any case he is under contract until June 30, so we won't know for a while.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Topper » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:07 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Still high on the list but word is that the Canucks believe, hope, that Tippet will be available July 1 and that is their guy. ..........
So from what I was told today as long as there is a chance that Tippet will become available the Canucks will not be making any coaching offers.

That explains the rush to sign Sestito.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby herb » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:52 pm

Topper wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:Still high on the list but word is that the Canucks believe, hope, that Tippet will be available July 1 and that is their guy. ..........
So from what I was told today as long as there is a chance that Tippet will become available the Canucks will not be making any coaching offers.

That explains the rush to sign Sestito.


Whooosh.

I would be very happy if Dave Tippett became the Canucks’ next head coach. Frankly, I don’t see it happen as Phoenix Coyotes employees seem to be incredibly loyal, but Tippett is obviously a great coach and doesn’t have the baggage of Tortorella.

Tippett has an impressive 427-252-28-79 all time coaching record, and has only missed the playoffs twice. He’s never gone the distance, but then again he has rarely had an above average group of talent to work with.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby JelloPuddingPop » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:51 pm

herb wrote:Tippett has an impressive 427-252-28-79 all time coaching record, and has only missed the playoffs twice. He’s never gone the distance, but then again he has rarely had an above average group of talent to work with.


He also seems to always get the best out of his goaltender/goalie coach. Marty Turco, Dan Ellis, Ilya Bryzgalov, Mike Smith even Jason LaBarbera to some extent all had outstanding years under Tippett. I understand a lot of this has to do with that lovely defensive system he has always employed and he has had a few great defensemen on those teams... but I can't imagine that Tampa, Philly, Chicago etc. play such terrible defense that the goalies picked up from Dallas/Phoenix just get lit up after? Tough to believe that Tippett didn't have something to do with that, and I would be interested to see what he could do with Cory in net.
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