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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby RoyalDude » Fri May 31, 2013 4:10 pm

You guys need to make up your mind. Edler is a shitty defenseman but he is so good that he can get us a very good return in a trade.

The whole Edler witch hunt kick that some of you are on is ringingly similar to the Bieksa witch hunt from a couple years ago when he was as good as gone prior to the Salo's blown achilles. Salo's achillies injury saved Gillis the moron from trading the right handed defenseman. How bad would Gillis look now?
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Fri May 31, 2013 4:18 pm

You guys.... you guys.... please specify and for myself I didn't say he was shitty, you made that up.
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Meds » Fri May 31, 2013 5:05 pm

Orcasfan wrote:Meds, you seem like a reasonably intelligent person, by most of your posts. So, I really am disappointed that you spout forth this nonsense:

Obviously, you've been listening to Don Cherry too much! I guess in your world, European players like Bure, Ovechkin, Franzen, Kronwall, Forsberg, Hasik, Yakupov, et all don't really count as "Europeans" because they show emotion on the ice! And, of course, guys like Sakic, Yzerman, (our own) Morrison, etc...these don't count as "Canadians" because they don't show enough emotion on the ice! Logically, from your premise, captains like Sakic (a good "Canadian" boy) are useless as captains because they don't get all emotional on the ice?

Honestly, I thought this stereotyping of Europeans (thank you Mr Cherry!) was over. Especially in Vancouver! So, Meds, how about all your "Canadian" Canucks captains over the previous 4 decades - how many Cups have they won for the team? :hmmm:


Joe Sakic. 188 points in 172 playoff games. A minus-2.

Steve Yzerman: 185 points in 196 playoff games. A minus-5.

Peter Forsberg: 171 points in 151 playoff games. A plus-54.

Henrik Sedin: 74 points in 99 playoff games. A minus-15.

Daniel Sedin: 67 points in 96 playoff games. A minus-11.

I'm a little surprised.....shocked is a better word actually.....that you would even loosely compare Henrik and Daniel to Sakic, Forsberg, or Yzerman.

I won't say they got all emotional on the ice, but the difference was, THEY GOT IT DONE. I mean seriously, you just compared Hank and Danny to 3 hall of fame playoff beasts. 2 of them are Conn Smythe winners, who are also both in the top 10 ALL TIME NHL scoring leaders.

And none of those guys would have just stood there and let Brad Marchand speed bag them and not do anything.
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Rumsfeld » Fri May 31, 2013 5:07 pm

Meds wrote:
Orcasfan wrote:Meds, you seem like a reasonably intelligent person, by most of your posts. So, I really am disappointed that you spout forth this nonsense:

Obviously, you've been listening to Don Cherry too much! I guess in your world, European players like Bure, Ovechkin, Franzen, Kronwall, Forsberg, Hasik, Yakupov, et all don't really count as "Europeans" because they show emotion on the ice! And, of course, guys like Sakic, Yzerman, (our own) Morrison, etc...these don't count as "Canadians" because they don't show enough emotion on the ice! Logically, from your premise, captains like Sakic (a good "Canadian" boy) are useless as captains because they don't get all emotional on the ice?

Honestly, I thought this stereotyping of Europeans (thank you Mr Cherry!) was over. Especially in Vancouver! So, Meds, how about all your "Canadian" Canucks captains over the previous 4 decades - how many Cups have they won for the team? :hmmm:


Joe Sakic. 188 points in 172 playoff games. A minus-2.

Steve Yzerman: 185 points in 196 playoff games. A minus-5.

Peter Forsberg: 171 points in 151 playoff games. A plus-54.

Henrik Sedin: 74 points in 99 playoff games. A minus-15.

Daniel Sedin: 67 points in 96 playoff games. A minus-11.

I'm a little surprised.....shocked is a better word actually.....that you would even loosely compare Henrik and Daniel to Sakic, Forsberg, or Yzerman.

I won't say they got all emotional on the ice, but the difference was, THEY GOT IT DONE. I mean seriously, you just compared Hank and Danny to 3 hall of fame playoff beasts. 2 of them are Conn Smythe winners, who are also both in the top 10 ALL TIME NHL scoring leaders.

And none of those guys would have just stood there and let Brad Marchand speed bag them and not do anything.


Yeah, it's pretty shocking that someone could be that dumb.
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Lancer » Fri May 31, 2013 6:38 pm

RoyalDude wrote:You guys need to make up your mind. Edler is a shitty defenseman but he is so good that he can get us a very good return in a trade.

The whole Edler witch hunt kick that some of you are on is ringingly similar to the Bieksa witch hunt from a couple years ago when he was as good as gone prior to the Salo's blown achilles. Salo's achillies injury saved Gillis the moron from trading the right handed defenseman. How bad would Gillis look now?


Awright Dude, start naming names and share some evidence behind your assertions of this 'legion' of Edler-haters because I don't believe it's there. For some reason, you painted me as one but have yet to provide any proof that I said he was a shitty defenceman. Safe to say it's not quite the mob you're describing in your defence of keeping Edler around.

You're taking this tack that everybody who wants Edler traded does so because they think he's a crap defenceman. No doubt there are a couple who fit that bill, but the consensus I see is that Edler should be traded because he's the best asset Gillis can trade in terms of value coming back as well as the one significant trade that won't leave a gaping hole in the line-up outside of goal. Does he have flaws? Definitely. Will the organization miss him as much as dealing other parts of the core Gillis could trade? Not really, but that doesn't mean he's a shitty defenceman.

The Canucks are staring at a lot of payroll, a decreasing cap, and a team in dire need of significant change on the roster beyond just rotating role-players. Add in the NTCs most of the valuable roster players have and the fact that Edler's doesn't kick in until July and it's a no-brainer.

Go ahead and call this a witch-hunt if you want. Freedom of speech gives you an enshrined right to be wrong, however. 8-)
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Orcasfan » Fri May 31, 2013 8:34 pm

Nice try, Meds. :lol: As you know, what I was doing with those various examples was to point out that, despite your Cherry-flavored prejudice, not all Europeans are "soft" on the ice, nor are all good "Canadian" boys "tough" or "gritty". And to think that Hank isn't "tough" just because he doesn't fight is a stone-age attitude. Luckily, not all Canadians share that attitude with you (with the exception of the legion of Cherry acolytes who believe that fighting is to hockey what hops is to beer!). :roll:
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Arachnid » Fri May 31, 2013 8:57 pm

Orcasfan wrote:Nice try, Meds. :lol: As you know, what I was doing with those various examples was to point out that, despite your Cherry-flavored prejudice, not all Europeans are "soft" on the ice, nor are all good "Canadian" boys "tough" or "gritty". And to think that Hank isn't "tough" just because he doesn't fight is a stone-age attitude. Luckily, not all Canadians share that attitude with you (with the exception of the legion of Cherry acolytes who believe that fighting is to hockey what hops is to beer!). :roll:


Hey! Leave beer out of this :evil:

and also...ALL Canadian players are tough macho dudes....the Frenchies however are pussies....('cept for that Claude dude...)
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:47 am

Lancer wrote: No doubt there are a couple who fit that bill,


LMAO...ya think, ya just maybe think? You know and I know Lance, that there are more than just a couple involved in the Edler witch hunt (sequel to the Bieksa witch hunt a couple years back) which brings justification to my post regarding Edler the overrated defenseman whom a lot here have developed a great case against pointing out every single flaw that only us few fans here have the privy to know about and yet know other teams whom may fit the bill to be interested in Edler don't have this kind of scouting knowledge on him like we do which is why he can get us a FANTASTIC, elite like return in a trade!

Edler witch hunters, make up your minds!
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby the Dogsalmon » Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:54 am

please fire players agent mike gillis so we can at least have some hope in the future...he is fucking terrible...
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby dbr » Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:01 am

RoyalDude wrote:You know and I know Lance, that there are more than just a couple involved in the Edler witch hunt


Great. Name three.
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:06 am

the Dogsalmon wrote:please fire players agent mike gillis so we can at least have some hope in the future...he is fucking terrible...


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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:59 am

dbr wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:You know and I know Lance, that there are more than just a couple involved in the Edler witch hunt


Great. Name three.



I tell you what, you seem capable, go to page 1 of this thread and begin reading until u get here, you will surmise from having bear witness the Edler witch hunt of posters talking out of both sides of there mouths. I'd skip the Meds posts as he is the leader of this mob mentality surrounding the Edler witch hunt
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Meds » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:08 pm

Orcasfan wrote:Nice try, Meds. :lol: As you know, what I was doing with those various examples was to point out that, despite your Cherry-flavored prejudice, not all Europeans are "soft" on the ice, nor are all good "Canadian" boys "tough" or "gritty". And to think that Hank isn't "tough" just because he doesn't fight is a stone-age attitude. Luckily, not all Canadians share that attitude with you (with the exception of the legion of Cherry acolytes who believe that fighting is to hockey what hops is to beer!). :roll:


Nice try? Lost me there.

No I didn't know what you were doing with those various examples. You threw them up there as a counter to my opinion that Europeans are softer players in general and few of them find that "playoff gear". Many of them simply do not battle through the heightened intensity that comes after the regular season ends. There are some exceptions.

For the record I don't consider Russian's to be European. Russian's are a completely different animal when it comes to hockey. They are, generally, either pure divas or sporadic animals, and almost without fail they are individualistic players who are in it for the fame and personal glory. Guys like Datsyuk, Larionov, Makarov, maybe even Ovechkin and Malkin, are in it to win. Bure was all about Pavel, and if his goals coincided with the teams then so much the better. He played with an edge.
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Meds » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:13 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Lancer wrote: No doubt there are a couple who fit that bill,


LMAO...ya think, ya just maybe think? You know and I know Lance, that there are more than just a couple involved in the Edler witch hunt (sequel to the Bieksa witch hunt a couple years back) which brings justification to my post regarding Edler the overrated defenseman whom a lot here have developed a great case against pointing out every single flaw that only us few fans here have the privy to know about and yet know other teams whom may fit the bill to be interested in Edler don't have this kind of scouting knowledge on him like we do which is why he can get us a FANTASTIC, elite like return in a trade!

Edler witch hunters, make up your minds!


I remember the casual Kev bashing from back then. I also remember being pissed off with his brain farts but generally supportive of keeping him around because he had a take no bullshit attitude that may on the team seemed to lack. It was his redeeming quality and still is.....although his recent comments regarding a "whip cracking coach" in the Province lead me to think he's been pacified and has become complacent.

Edler has some redeeming qualities, but they don't fit with the direction this team NEEDS to go. They may fit with the direction they CHOOSE to go.....and that will be a tragedy.
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby dbr » Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:10 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
dbr wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:You know and I know Lance, that there are more than just a couple involved in the Edler witch hunt


Great. Name three.



I tell you what, you seem capable, go to page 1 of this thread and begin reading until u get here, you will surmise from having bear witness the Edler witch hunt of posters talking out of both sides of there mouths. I'd skip the Meds posts as he is the leader of this mob mentality surrounding the Edler witch hunt


I'm not going to reread the thread just to prove to you that the Edler "witch hunt" is a group of on, maybe two posters and that your characterization of the opinions of most others is, as usual, totally off the mark.

When you make ludicrous claims the burden of proving them is on you - of course I get that you have no interest in that.
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