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If an overhaul of this team is needed, which of the following players who should MG shop around...

Hank and Danny
12
7%
Edler
44
25%
Booth
45
26%
Higgins
8
5%
Bieksa
15
9%
Ballard
45
26%
Hamhuis
2
1%
None of the above
2
1%
 
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Re: Roster Questions

Postby Aaronp18 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:15 am

Benjo wrote:The Canucks are so offense starved as it is I'd rather not trade one of our leading goal scorers for a 3rd line centre.


The reasoning is simply our depth at centre, it's killed us the past couple years.

Our secondary scoring has been a major issue and that stems from our lack of quality pivots. With Kesler injured or recovering the past couple years and Manny using his white cane it's been painful watching us struggle to win draws or assemble functional lines. Hell we had Burrows and even Raymond try their hand at centre last year.

It's far easier to move some of these centres we have to the wing than the other way around. If you look around the league teams are paying a premium for centres, they can make or break a line and if we have more depth there it can only help our secondary scoring woes.

Matthias would be ideal with his 2 year $1.75M per deal. It's cheap and fills a gap between our veteran centres and the prospects we have coming down the pipeline. It also allows us to perhaps start Gaunce or Horvat on the wing easing them into the league.

Then in 3 years we can possibly have Henrik, Kesler, Gaunce and Horvat vying for spots at centre ice.
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Re: Roster Questions

Postby herb » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:32 am

Just like every year, we will be as successful as the Sedins and Kesler are. If the Sedins are healthy, PPG players and Kesler is a dominant two-way force, this team will be fine. If the Sedins regress significantly and Kesler cannot regain his 30-40 goal form, this team will struggle.

A few things to keep in mind going forward are that there is no way our power play cannot improve, Kesler (the straw who stirs the drink) will start the year healthy and Edler and Bieksa are capable of being much better than they were. Losing Schneider is a big hit, but Luongo will play his 65-70 games anyway and the team loses the distraction. Young guys like Kassian, Tanev, Schroeder, Corrado and Weise will continue to improve.

Others have written him off, but I would like to at least give Schroeder an honest to goodness shot at being the third line centre before we go out and spend assets to acquire somebody like Matthias. I would see how things shake out over the first 40 games or so and go from there.
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Re: Roster Questions

Postby dangler » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:22 pm

herb wrote:Just like every year, we will be as successful as the Sedins and Kesler are. If the Sedins are healthy, PPG players and Kesler is a dominant two-way force, this team will be fine. If the Sedins regress significantly and Kesler cannot regain his 30-40 goal form, this team will struggle.


The Sedins best years are behind them,the teams success will be predicated on Booths,Hansens and Kassians contributions, Kesler's health,and a rookie or 3 making the squad.
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Re: Roster Questions

Postby Southern_Canuck » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:35 pm

herb wrote:A few things to keep in mind going forward are that there is no way our power play cannot improve, Kesler (the straw who stirs the drink) will start the year healthy and Edler and Bieksa are capable of being much better than they were.


Hahaha - that is so true!

Not many people talking about it, but as you point out it will be almost impossible to have a worse power play than how the Canucks finished the year.

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Re: Roster Questions

Postby herb » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:55 pm

dangler wrote:The Sedins best years are behind them,the teams success will be predicated on Booths,Hansens and Kassians contributions, Kesler's health,and a rookie or 3 making the squad. Sedin regression is here.


We will see how much, if any, they regress, but I can guarantee you that Booth, Hansen and Kassian will not outscore them. For better or for worse they are still the forwards this team is built around.
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Re: Roster Questions

Postby herb » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:59 pm

Southern_Canuck wrote:Not many people talking about it, but as you point out it will be almost impossible to have a worse power play than how the Canucks finished the year.

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Our impotent power play easily cost us a handful of games last year, and that was only a 48 game season. There is no reason that this roster should be ranked in the bottom 1/3 of the league in that respect.

Keeping the PK strong and getting the PP back into the top 1/3 of the league absolutely need to be priorities. We do that and we’ll be OK in the regular season.
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Re: Roster Questions

Postby Ronning's Ghost » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:22 pm

It occurs to me that Gillis isn’t the only one with the prerogative and incentive to make Bold moves to improve the Canucks – Tortorella has that option, too. Consider the following (though I doubt he will):

Henrik and Daniel Sedin are genetically identical, meaning that they have exactly the same athletic potential. Which one played which position was entirely a matter of chance growing up, and of course if they wanted to be on the same line, only one could play centre. Although he is not exactly every poster on this board’s cup of meat, Henrik Sedin has been, both statistically and in the estimation of his peers, one of the top centres in the world for the past five or so seasons.

Therefore (bold move): move Daniel to centre.

The twins will embrace the move enthusiastically, because it will allow direct, head-to-oversized-head statistical comparisons for their friendly fraternal rivalry. Of course there will be learning curve, but the upcoming season will be a long enough to allow for that. As I see it, there is almost no chance that Daniel will make anything less than an above-average NHL centre, and a good chance that he will be an excellent one. Assuming Daniel does at least make it to average, the move accomplishes the following useful things:

>Suddenly very deep at centre. If Schroeder makes the team at all, he does it as a lower-middle-class man’s Martin St. Louis (which I think he has a chance of doing).
>Henrik shoots more, improving his overall effectiveness.
>Balanced scoring. Kesler’s line can focus on the shut-down / counterpunch role in which he truly excels, relieving the need to find a “third” line centre, even as his line leads the team in ice time (the other teams will probably want to play their top line centres a lot).
>Only one “soft” Sedin on the ice at a time on the ice to protect, helping to improve overall forward “stiffness” factor.

They could be re-united for power plays, when the extra room has (historically) provided the greatest chance for Sedin-ery to flourish.
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Re: Roster Questions

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:45 pm

The twins are great players despite what some would have you believe. That said Danny is a winger. You don't just start playing centre at 32 ...not to mention they are both pretty weak defensively at this point so do you want two shitty defensive centres eating up 36 - 40 minutes a game, really ??

I agree with splitting them up for an extended perios because they are too damned complacent playing every fucking shift together and often over pass the damned puck. You would have two elite playmakers on the top 2 lines.

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Re: Roster Questions

Postby Meds » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:07 am

Ronning's Ghost wrote:It occurs to me that Gillis isn’t the only one with the prerogative and incentive to make Bold moves to improve the Canucks – Tortorella has that option, too. Consider the following (though I doubt he will):

Henrik and Daniel Sedin are genetically identical, meaning that they have exactly the same athletic potential. Which one played which position was entirely a matter of chance growing up, and of course if they wanted to be on the same line, only one could play centre. Although he is not exactly every poster on this board’s cup of meat, Henrik Sedin has been, both statistically and in the estimation of his peers, one of the top centres in the world for the past five or so seasons.

Therefore (bold move): move Daniel to centre.


Where your theory has holes is that Daniel is a faster skater, they train together and the same way, but Henrik has said that Daniel has always been a stride or two faster since they were kids. Henrik has taken the same abuse that Danny has, but Daniel has had several injuries that have cost him weeks out of the lineup. No I'm not counting the concussion from Keith. They are twins, but they genetically identical still allows for variances in attributes and personality. Hank sets up Danny, Dank will take a shot. If Danny sets up Hank, Hank will take a shit before he tries a shot.....he'll try to make the pass back most times.

Look at their faces, look at when they smile. These identical genetics have given Daniel a more angular face and some nearly perfect teeth, Henrik has a rounder looking face and is a bit gap toothed.
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Re: Roster Questions

Postby Topper » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:21 am

Ronning's Ghost wrote:It occurs to me that Gillis isn’t the only one with the prerogative and incentive to make Bold moves to improve the Canucks – Tortorella has that option, too. Consider the following (though I doubt he will):

Henrik and Daniel Sedin are genetically identical, meaning that they have exactly the same athletic potential. Which one played which position was entirely a matter of chance growing up, and of course if they wanted to be on the same line, only one could play centre. Although he is not exactly every poster on this board’s cup of meat, Henrik Sedin has been, both statistically and in the estimation of his peers, one of the top centres in the world for the past five or so seasons.

Therefore (bold move): move Daniel to centre.

The twins will embrace the move enthusiastically, because it will allow direct, head-to-oversized-head statistical comparisons for their friendly fraternal rivalry. Of course there will be learning curve, but the upcoming season will be a long enough to allow for that. As I see it, there is almost no chance that Daniel will make anything less than an above-average NHL centre, and a good chance that he will be an excellent one. Assuming Daniel does at least make it to average, the move accomplishes the following useful things:

>Suddenly very deep at centre. If Schroeder makes the team at all, he does it as a lower-middle-class man’s Martin St. Louis (which I think he has a chance of doing).
>Henrik shoots more, improving his overall effectiveness.
>Balanced scoring. Kesler’s line can focus on the shut-down / counterpunch role in which he truly excels, relieving the need to find a “third” line centre, even as his line leads the team in ice time (the other teams will probably want to play their top line centres a lot).
>Only one “soft” Sedin on the ice at a time on the ice to protect, helping to improve overall forward “stiffness” factor.

They could be re-united for power plays, when the extra room has (historically) provided the greatest chance for Sedin-ery to flourish.

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Re: Roster Questions

Postby wafflecombine » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:19 am

Ok Topper... that's pretty damn offensive and entirely innappropriate to this board.
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Re: Roster Questions

Postby SKYO » Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:35 pm

Hejduk not going to be re-signed by the Av's, MG should sign him to a one year deal using the 7.5% cap allowance, to finally get that extra sniper to help our putrid secondary scoring.

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Re: Roster Questions

Postby Strangelove » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:31 pm

wafflecombine wrote:Ok Topper... that's pretty damn offensive and entirely innappropriate to this board.


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Re: Roster Questions

Postby Strangelove » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:33 pm

SKYO wrote:Hejduk not going to be re-signed by the Av's, MG should sign him to a one year deal using the 7.5% cap allowance, to finally get that extra sniper to help our putrid secondary scoring.

http://thehockeywriters.com/colorado-av ... Writers%29


I absolutely detest Hejduk.

Anyone remember him celebrating every single goal in the blowout-Bertuzzi-snaps-on-Moore game? :roll:

Besides, he's done like dinner....
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Re: Roster Questions

Postby Topper » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:13 am

wafflecombine wrote:Ok Topper... that's pretty damn offensive and entirely innappropriate to this board.

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