Island Nucklehead wrote:
A quality third line centre. We've since acquired a Centre that will allow us a 2A/2B combo. So yeah, there's nothing on Toronto's roster that we need.
Sorry Nucklehead, that's bunk. The Canucks couldn't use a quality 3rd line center and a solid defenceman? Or do you think Ebbett & Barker are what we need?
Island Nucklehead wrote:Derek Roy is better than Tyler Bozak. Even as a 3rd line Centre.
First off, Roy isn't a 3rd line center, a salary of $5 or $5.5 mil + puts him in 2nd line center territory, and 1st line on some teams.
Second, the comparison is rather useless. Maybe we should also point out that Bozak isn't as good as Crosby or Ovechkin?
It isn't a matter of Roy OR Bozak, we could have gotten both, or neither.
The question is what we could get back in return for Lu, and what would be better for the team.
Had we gotten Bozak & Franson for Lu (as was rumored) there's no reason why we couldn't ALSO get Roy as a rental, to make a really solid push in the playoffs.
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Derek Roy is better than Tyler Bozak. Even as a 3rd line Centre
Far better and Luongo is far better than Reimer.Not even sure why any of this is debatable. Reimer has better numbers in a lockout shortened season, BFD. He has never sustained good numbers for any length of time.
Blob, the reason is this:
1.) Yes, I agree that Reimer is not the same established quality reputation as Lu, (and maybe will never be) The point is that the beginning of the season is the time to do a deal, when the Laffs are not sure that Reimer can get them in the playoffs, and TO is somewhat desperate to break the 9 year drought. By the trade deadline (or after) they are not in a desperate need, as they are confident that they have a goalie who can get them into the first round, at least.
2.) I don't disagree that Roy has better numbers than Bozak, but Bozak is the better player FOR THE CANUCKS.
Why? - Because unlike Roy, we can actually afford to resign Bozak, and as he's from Western Canada and having played hockey in BC, he's more likely to want to stay here.
Don't get me wrong, Roy is a quality center, it's just that we can't afford him unless he is willing to take a big haircut, which I just don't see happening.
Canuck-One wrote: Luo didn't get sentenced to hockey banishment in Toronto and we'll get better players back in the summer than the ridiculous crap that they say MG was willing to accept. .
Canuck One, supposedly at the beginning of the season Gillis wanted a first, a top 6 (top 4) roster player, and a blue chip prospect. The Leaves were supposedly offering Bozak & Franson. By the trade deadline the offer had gone down to Scrivens & a 2nd & 3rd, provided Gillis would eat some of the salary. I can't see anyone making a much better offer, now that Toronto has blabbed what the going price was, we'll get some more lo-ball offers.
And the other downside is this, IF we had gotten some players at the beginning of the season, it would improve our depth in the playoffs, when third line scoring is often what's needed if the top lines get shut down.
Do you think that Ebbett & Barker/Ballard/Alberts are going to step it up in the playoffs?
The other factor is this, had we moved Lu's contract at the beginning of the season, we could have made some offer sheets or signed UFAs this summer when some quality players will be looking to move. Unless Lu's contract can be moved quickly then our hands are tied.
Bottom line - If Gillis this summer gets the kind of offer that supposedly he's looking for (a 1st, a roster player & a blue chip) or even close to that, I'll be shocked.