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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby RoyalDude » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:33 pm

Benjo wrote:Booth is skating again finally and is in great shape.


I expect miracles from this guy. A completely different player than the passionless dumb ass we are used to seeing - :rofl:
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby BladesofSteel » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:35 pm

While I'm sure Gillis will give out a few invites to those vets still blowing in the wind, I don't expect another veteran signing up front. The vets who the kids will be competing against are Richardson, Santorelli and Schroeder.

JS is no longer waiver exempt, but it'll be entirely up to him how his future as a Canuck unfolds. Richardson was brought in for his versatility and experience, he could prove to be invaluable once injuries pile up. If there is one bubble player up front who an aspiring rookie would bump to waivers, it's Santorelli. I suspect the farm will have a difficult time scoring next year and Santorelli's skill-set and experience would warrant top line minutes.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby tantalum » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:59 am

The Torts interview piece yesterday I think sheds a little light on what we should expect. Torts will be looking to see who has the fight and mental fortitude to do what needs to be done through camp and the first month or so of the season. Those that don't will be cast aside in a hurry. Gillis has left about $3 mil in cap space to enable them to look at some youngsters, have injury space and make moves. Considering the "cap hell" they were supposedly in that's not a bad job.

So what you see is what you get....for the first 15 games anyways. After that it is a good bet that some changes will be made.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby dbr » Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:56 am

herb wrote:I would have liked to see Burrows move in a “sell high” deal in an effort to get younger and grittier.


Me too.

That being said I am starting to wonder whether the value of a legit top six forward (with a medium term contract, high dollars and moderately high cap hit) really is what many of us think.

After all, one of the ways Mike Gillis so effectively took this team to another level under the last CBA was by exploiting his cap space to make trades that he won handily in terms of on-ice performance (but "lost" from a payroll/liability perspective)?

I know David Booth hasn't been a raging success here but he was long perceived as a bona fide scoring forward and we scooped him up for peanuts on the strength of a couple of vets and a willingness to pay out the rest of his deal. Ehrhoff we got for even less.

Alex Burrows is a good player and can be an important part of a team but is there much reason to think trading him would be fundamentally different from trading those other guys? The CBA environment is more or less the same and this season there is even less cap space available than there has been traditionally.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby herb » Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:43 am

dbr wrote:That being said I am starting to wonder whether the value of a legit top six forward (with a medium term contract, high dollars and moderately high cap hit) really is what many of us think.


Fair enough.

Burrows’ deal certainly isn’t horrible, and as long as he continues to score 25 goals and 50 points we will be getting good value. A 32 or 33 year old Burrows doesn’t scare me much, but a 34 or 35 year old Burrows might. I would guess the last year of that deal is probably going to be bad value, but we’ll see.

My main concern with Burrows is that my ideal scenario sees Burrows getting bumped down the lineup rather consistently over the next three seasons. A $4.5M veteran third line winger sounds expensive to me, but of course there is no assurance that any of these youngsters will demand top 6 minutes in the next few seasons and I would be surprised if Burrows’ deal became immovable.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby $lacker » Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:46 am

Luongo breaking his silence... should be interesting. I'll reserve judgement until I see the interview, but just from the few "teasers" I would have preffered Luongo had just come to the Olympic camp and said something along the lines of "I was disappointed at the time, but I'm ready to play and I'm highly motivated etc", instead of using TSN as a mouthpiece.

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The summer of silence is over. Roberto Luongo's first interview since the Schneider trade tonight/tomorrow on Sportscentre (6et) #TSN

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Luongo also reveals that in May he had serious talks with the NHLPA about the possibility of voiding his deal and walking away from 40m.
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Luongo also talks about breaking down after not being dealt at deadline and "blacking out" when he learned VAN had traded Schneider.
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Luongo: "I had moved on from Vancouver and was ready to start fresh somewhere else...like a divorce...except she wanted me back."
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Luongo will report to Canucks training camp, and says he is extremely motivated, but remains uncertain about his future in Van.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Mondi » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:24 am

Remember when Gillis said something about how he spent more time on one player's issues than the rest of the team put together...

Sick of hearing about and from this player. Get between the pipes and play a kid's game for several million per year and pipe down sir.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby ukcanuck » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:33 am

Mondi wrote:Remember when Gillis said something about how he spent more time on one player's issues than the rest of the team put together...

Sick of hearing about and from this player. Get between the pipes and play a kid's game for several million per year and pipe down sir.


Personally I'd like to know Luongo's side of things if you dont mind
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby JelloPuddingPop » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:36 am

Vancouver's crease concerns get even more murky after this year. If I remember correctly - Luongo can submit a 5 team list he wishes to be traded to in 2014. If he does so, and the Canucks don't oblige, they lose the ability to request a 5 team trade list in 2018.

If the relationship isn't fractured now, it certainly will be if MG doesn't trade him next year. Even for a bag of pucks. No way Luo doesn't submit this list.

Then Vancouver's crease will be handed over to Stork, or someone like him. Or perhaps even a sulking Luo... not sure what would be worse.

I guess they should look into signing Thomas, Bryz or... Hasek!! They'll fill the mental side of the crease at least :mrgreen:
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Mondi » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:38 am

He's a player under contract to the Vancouver Canucks is he not?

I suppose you're right, it is a "news" story. But, a humble player might release a statement; not have a two-part sit-down on national television to discuss what did not happen.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Boston Canucker » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:39 am

I'm looking forward to this interview. My sense with Luongo is that he does not see the situation in black or white terms. He is honest that he thought he'd move on, and preferred to do that, was shocked at Schneider trade, but will also show up at camp motivated. His strombone tweets show he's keeping his sense of humor about it. I don't see him coming into camp looking to be a bad apple. Gillis screwed this up royally and in many ways Luongo is saving his ass by being a professional about it, even while RL is not obligated to be dishonest about his feelings, nor would I want him to be. Anyway, we'll see what he says in the full interview, I just saw the short 'divorce' clip, which seemed to show his humor and perspective on it.

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:57 am

$lacker wrote:I would have preffered Luongo had just come to the Olympic camp and said something along the lines of "I was disappointed at the time, but I'm ready to play and I'm highly motivated etc", instead of using TSN as a mouthpiece.


Well it seems the entire hockey world is slightly obsessed with the Luongo saga.

So I can see him wanting to address the boundless speculation.

And to all you dumbfucks who entertain the notion of trading Burrows: You are dumbfucks! :mrgreen:
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:02 pm

Mondi wrote:I suppose you're right, it is a "news" story. But, a humble player might release a statement; not have a two-part sit-down on national television to discuss what did not happen.


Well TSN begged him IMPO.

Besides who the hell wants a humble player? :crazy:

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Hockey Widow » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:45 pm

Better for him to address it all at once in a sit down. Then close the door on the issue, if he does close the door. I think this is an attempt to get his side heard and be done with it. I imagine he will use humour a lot but will be pretty honest and straight forward. Better to have it done in this forum before camp.

Gillis did not fuck this up. There was a miscalculation about what Luongo's worth would be after the new CBA was in place. Once the cap recapture clause became part of the new reality all the other GM's got chicken shit scared. There was interest in Luongo before the new CBA but only the Leafs were willing to pull the trigger before the new CBA. The other GM's wanted to see what the new landscape was before they pulled the trigger. Not much MG could do at the point and it was pretty obvious Luongo was not moveable. And the Leafs kept changing the bar right up to the last second demanding a cap hold back.

The media and the fans are the ones who threw Luongo under the bus, not the team or management.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Mondi » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:55 pm

I'm just done with one player dominating the media about this team (and the NHL).
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