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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby ukcanuck » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:48 pm

TDA Rum wrote:I agree with you Doc... Canucks will win their division and the Stanley cup...

You're dam tootin there skippy
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Topper » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:00 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Rumsfeld wrote:If you trade Bieksa and especially Edler, you'd need a top-4 D coming back.


Not if you thought Tanev could handle top-4 minutes

Ok, I stopped reading right there.

Fell from my chair laughing.

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Reefer2 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:32 am

Death
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Nucks not winning the cup.

all 3 things are guaranteed in life.

the 3rd item for a few more years at least.

This team will of course make the playoffs but no change to the core and we expect a different result than the last 2 seasons. I don't think so.

Only significant trades and no one is expendable could change the fortune on this team.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby the Dogsalmon » Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:11 am

5thhorseman wrote:We're already "stuck" with our top 6. The time to trade was after the Cup run, a quick retooling ... that window has long passed.

Look forward to a pretender contender for the next few years. We'll need Bo and Hunter to turn into elite players, some astute drafting/trades by GMMG, and a few lucky breaks before we end up on top of the pile again.

Don't get me wrong, I love our Canucks, but any Cup run in the near future will be cinderella-style. Strangely, I prefer it that way.



cant argue with this type of common sense...
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Meds » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:25 pm

Strangelove wrote:
So all we need is

... Kassian to play like Samuelsson


... and Lack to play like Schneider

:look:



WTF?

We want the guy that is supposed to be our second coming of Bertuzzi (minus Moore) to play like a soft Swedish 20 goal sniper?

And who cares about Lack playing like Schneider. Cory only saw 40 minutes of ice time in the playoffs in 2011. Lou just has to play like Lou (minus games 3, 4, and 6).
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Per » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:04 pm

Reefer2 wrote:This team will of course make the playoffs but no change to the core and we expect a different result than the last 2 seasons. I don't think so.


Kesler being healthy would be significant change.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby rats19 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:23 pm

Per wrote:
Reefer2 wrote:This team will of course make the playoffs but no change to the core and we expect a different result than the last 2 seasons. I don't think so.


Kesler being healthy would be significant change.


the team being healthy would be a significant change
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:01 pm

Meds wrote:WTF?

We want the guy that is supposed to be our second coming of Bertuzzi (minus Moore) to play like a soft Swedish 20 goal sniper?

And who cares about Lack playing like Schneider. Cory only saw 40 minutes of ice time in the playoffs in 2011. Lou just has to play like Lou (minus games 3, 4, and 6).


*sigh*

Okay, let's give this another look...

There is still room for one or two more moves.

Let's say Alberts realizes guys like him are taking a beating due to the artificially low cap this year

... and he loves being a Canuck... so he signs for $700K.

Now, Nonis has somehow painted himself into a corner in the centre of the universe.

He doesn't have the cap space to re-sign both Kadri and Franson.

Re-signing those two would give him his 23 players (13 forwards, 8 dee, 2 goalies)

Rumour is he's now looking to deal Franson, but there are only a handful of teams with cap-room.

Even fewer that can offer the ideal return, considering his dire situation.

Franson is one of only 2 RHS dee the Leaves have (the other one, Holzer, is #7 on the depth chart).

So the ideal return for Leaves would be a RHS proven NHL tweener on a low contract ($1.5m or less).

Enter Chris Tanev.

Canucks upgrade their dee by trading Tanev straight up for Cody Franson. :mex:

Did I mention he's a BC boy who feels he has been screwed over by the Leaves?

Okay, compare this squad to the cup run squad of a few years ago...

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Chris Higgins ($2.500m) / Jordan Schroeder ($0.600m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Tom Sestito ($0.750m) / Brad Richardson ($1.150m) / Dale Weise ($0.750m)
Mike Santorelli ($0.550m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Alexander Edler ($5.000m) / Cody Franson ($3.000m)
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Yannick Weber ($0.650m)
Andrew Alberts ($0.700m) / Frank Corrado ($0.599m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,202,778; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $97,22

Sedin – Sedin – Burrows = Sedin – Sedin – Burrows

C'mon they had a bad last year due to a slow start in a shortened season, Burrows shuffled around.

MAYBE they score 10 less goals, but it's not like they're over-the-hill and older means more experience baby! :thumbs:

EDIT: Sedins (and Kesler) put up a TON of PP points that year, if the PP gets back on track... :thumbs:

Booth – Kesler – Kassian > Raymond – Kesler – Samuelsson

If Booth is healthy he brings much more to the table than Raymond (15 goals that season).

If young Kassian improves somewhat as most expect he could easily be better than Sammy (18 that season)

Plus, and this can not be understated, Kassian is an asshole.

Higgins – Malhotra – Hansen = Higgins – Schroeder – Hansen

Young Schroeder is likely to improve, NO not to Manny-levels, but Higgins & Hansen are better players now.

Sestito - Richardson – Weise < Torres – Lapierre – Glass

But hey it's only the 4th line amirite? :drink:


I'll add here that, Gaunce and Jensen playing on the top line in Utica make for good injury callups...


Hamhuis – Bieksa
Edler – Ehrhoff
Ballard – Salo
Alberts – Rome

vs

Hamhuis – Bieksa
Edler – Franson
Garrison - Corrado
Alberts – Weber


I feel that latter group is the better defensive group but debating the matter would be akin to splitting hairs.

Goaltending, Luongo can go back to 68+ starts as he has done most of his career

... meaning backup is not a big deal.

So sure Schneider was a better backup in 2010-11 than Lack/Eriksson are likely to be in 2013-14.

But who knows and who cares, and besides both Lack and Eriksson are considered stellar.

And so, upon further review, yours truly has decided your Vancouver Canucks will win your 2014 Stanley Cup.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby JonT21 » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:13 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Meds wrote:WTF?

We want the guy that is supposed to be our second coming of Bertuzzi (minus Moore) to play like a soft Swedish 20 goal sniper?

And who cares about Lack playing like Schneider. Cory only saw 40 minutes of ice time in the playoffs in 2011. Lou just has to play like Lou (minus games 3, 4, and 6).


*sigh*

Okay, let's give this another look...

There is still room for one or two more moves.

Let's say Alberts realizes guys like him are taking a beating due to the artificially low cap this year

... and he loves being a Canuck... so he signs for $700K.

Now, Nonis has somehow painted himself into a corner in the centre of the universe.

He doesn't have the cap space to re-sign both Kadri and Franson.

Re-signing those two would give him his 23 players (13 forwards, 8 dee, 2 goalies)

Rumour is he's now looking to deal Franson, but there are only a handful of teams with cap-room.

Even fewer that can offer the ideal return, considering his dire situation.

Franson is one of only 2 RHS dee the Leaves have (the other one, Holzer, is #7 on the depth chart).

So the ideal return for Leaves would be a RHS proven NHL tweener on a low contract ($1.5m or less).

Enter Chris Tanev.

Canucks upgrade their dee by trading Tanev straight up for Cody Franson. :mex:

Did I mention he's a BC boy who feels he has been screwed over by the Leaves?

Okay, compare this squad to the cup run squad of a few years ago...

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m)
Chris Higgins ($2.500m) / Jordan Schroeder ($0.600m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Tom Sestito ($0.750m) / Brad Richardson ($1.150m) / Dale Weise ($0.750m)
Mike Santorelli ($0.550m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Alexander Edler ($5.000m) / Cody Franson ($3.000m)
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Yannick Weber ($0.650m)
Andrew Alberts ($0.700m) / Frank Corrado ($0.599m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,202,778; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $97,22

Sedin – Sedin – Burrows = Sedin – Sedin – Burrows

C'mon they had a bad last year due to a slow start in a shortened season, Burrows shuffled around.

MAYBE they score 10 less goals, but it's not like they're over-the-hill and older means more experience baby! :thumbs:

Booth – Kesler – Kassian > Raymond – Kesler – Samuelsson

If Booth is healthy he brings much more to the table than Raymond (15 goals that season).

If young Kassian improves somewhat as most expect he could easily be better than Sammy (18 that season)

Plus, and this can not be understated, Kassian is an asshole.

Higgins – Malhotra – Hansen = Higgins – Schroeder – Hansen

Young Schroeder is likely to improve, NO not to Manny-levels, but Higgins & Hansen are better players now.

Richardson – Lain - Weise < Torres – Lapierre – Glass

But hey it's only the 4th line amirite? :drink:


I'll add here that, Gaunce and Jensen playing on the top line in Utica make for good injury callups...


Hamhuis – Bieksa
Edler – Ehrhoff
Ballard – Salo
Alberts – Rome

vs

Hamhuis – Bieksa
Edler – Franson
Garrison - Corrado
Alberts – Weber


I feel that latter group is the better defensive group but debating the matter would be akin to splitting hairs.

Goaltending, Luongo can go back to 68+ starts as he has done most of his career

... meaning whoever plays backup is not a big deal.

So sure Schneider was a better backup in 2010-11 than Lack/Eriksson are likely to be in 2013-14.

But who knows and who cares, and besides both Lack and Eriksson are considered stellar.

And so, upon further review, yours truly has decided your Vancouver Canucks will win your 2014 Stanley Cup.

Thank god there is at least one positive post in this whole god damn website
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Topper » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:34 pm

Richardson is playing centre, possibly thirdline. The Canucks are in trouble if pipsqueak plays there.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Rumsfeld » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:38 pm

JonT21 wrote:Thank god there is at least one positive post in this whole god damn website


Nice one, Simple Jack. Another unpunctuated sentence for the highlight reel.

See, y'all have to remember something about our good friend Mr. Strangelove.

He is a hardcore Republican, which means he is well-versed in the appeasement of morons. In fact he's terrific at it.

That's why he's the people's poster! :D

Doc knew there were no WMDs in Iraq.

Doc knows Obama wasn't really born in Kenya.

Doc knows the 2013/14 version of the Canucks is nowhere near as good as the one that made it to the Final.

And Doc also knows that even the version that made it to the Final was one OT goal away from the most embarrassing first-round exit in hockey history!

There has been something missing in the playoffs for this team for a while now, and it goes back to 2009.

But hey, Doc likes making morons happy, and a happy moron is a wonderful thing! Don't change a thing Strangelove!

*adjusts JonT21's bib*

There ya go, buddy. You were getting that applesauce all over your new Power Rangers shirt.

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:42 pm

Topper wrote:Richardson is playing centre, possibly thirdline. The Canucks are in trouble if pipsqueak plays there.


Alright better still, Richie at 3rd-line centre.

Sestito on the 4th line, Schroeder traded for asshole depth.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Rumsfeld » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:47 pm

Strangelove wrote:Sestito on the 4th line, Schroeder traded for asshole depth.


Nothing like a deep asshole.

*leers at Hockeygal*

You know something, I can get pretty deep when I have a bong hit or three.

And I'm definitely an asshole.

Sestito sucks.

Richardson is not a third line center on a good team, he spent half the season in LA's press box.

Schroeder is a dwarf with no finish who couldn't even score at a decent pace getting huge minutes in the AHL.

I need a beer.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:52 pm

Rumsfeld is the new Royaldude!

Hey Rummy, you you-know-wot, too much beer, not enough koolaid good buddy. :thumbs:
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Rumsfeld » Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:00 pm

Strangelove wrote:Rumsfeld is the new Royaldude!

Hey Rummy, you you-know-wot, too much beer, not enough koolaid good buddy. :thumbs:


Nah, Royaldude bitched about every player on the team, even when we were winning.

Royaldude took some perverse delight in losing.

I'm just cursed with the burden of being a bit of a realist. But then I'm not a man of blind faith like some others.

Plus I fucking HATE kool-aid in my beer!

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