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Rumsfeld wrote: Burrows is not an elite winger, and I think you know that Doc. He plays with the two best passers in the Conference and is a terrific defensive player who scores big goals.... but he really isn't that offensively talented and he isn't tough and the refs fucking hate him.

Daniel was supposed to be the best goal-scorer when that line was put together

... yet Burrows has consistently outscored Daniel at even strength.

As a matter of fact Burrows is 4th among elite scoring wingers in that category over the past 3 seasons:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play-in ... r_by=goals

(Stamkos is a centre).

BTW do you see anyone else in that top 30 besides Burrows and Dupuis (23rd) who play on the #1PK unit?

Didn't think so!

And Alex is VERY tough..... ummm pound-for-pound.

The refs hate him because he's an asshole.

Burrows never complains no matter how much an idiot coach makes him switch lines/play centre/etc.

You just don't trade a guy like Burrows, you just don't...

Uncle dans leg wrote: The return on a trade or 2 involving Kesler/Burrows/Bieksa could be massive if Gillis keeps his cards close to his chest.

OMG, just the other day I saw a guy at Calpuck suggesting the Canucks trade Kesler and Burrows.

Rumsfeld wrote: So Doc, who WOULD you trade?

This summer I've suggested trading Edler, Bieksa, Booth, high draft picks, and possibly Tanev.

Obviously we'd need a dee coming back if we traded one of those dee (a RHS if it's Bieksa/Tanev).

And this is with an asshole-only shopping list in hand.

Yes, we'd hafta sweeten the pot if we traded Booth, but the idea was to create cap-space for another move.

I also suggested (while the buyout window was open) to take back a bad contract along with a top player.

But yeah, maybe we do that next year....

Strangelove wrote:

Rumsfeld wrote: So Doc, who WOULD you trade?

This summer I've suggested trading Edler, Bieksa, Booth, high draft picks, and possibly Tanev.

Obviously we'd need a dee coming back if we traded one of those dee (a RHS if it's Bieksa/Tanev).

And this is with an asshole-only shopping list in hand.

Yes, we'd hafta sweeten the pot if we traded Booth, but the idea was to create cap-space for another move.

I also suggested (while the buyout window was open) to take back a bad contract along with a top player.

But yeah, maybe we do that next year....

If you trade Bieksa and especially Edler, you'd need a top-4 D coming back.

Booth is worth exactly nothing right now.

So none of those suggestions would improve our top six, which is where we need improvement the most IMO. And if you trade high picks (a big mistake IMO, considering a rebuild is probably right around the corner), you'd still need to shed serious salary if you get a top forward in return.

So yeah, we need to move a top forward if we want to get bigger and better up front, and out of all our top forwards (Sedins, Kesler, Burr) Burrows seems like the most obvious choice.

Part of being a good GM is knowing when to pull the plug on guys, if you wait 'till they seriously decline you get nothing back and you're stuck with them.*

Our top six has totally sucked the last two-and-a-half playoffs, I'm pretty surprised you'd have a problem with some big changes.




*see Luongo, Roberto

Rumsfeld wrote: If you trade Bieksa and especially Edler, you'd need a top-4 D coming back.

Not if you thought Tanev could handle top-4 minutes (and to a lesser extent thought Corrado is NHL-ready).

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Garrison - Tanev
ASSHOLE - Corrado
Alberts/Fistric/Whomever - Weber

ASSHOLE would be a stay-at-home shutdown tweener who could handle some top-4 icetime when needed.

Corrado would see some PP icetime.

Yeah, so a tweener would come cheeper in a trade than an established top-4 guy.

Hell it could even be a YOUNG tweener asshole to satisfy YOUR youth-movement cravings.

Rumsfeld wrote: Booth is worth exactly nothing right now.

Like I say, Booth is supposed to be 100% by training camp.

Like I say, Booth is tradable if we throw in a pick/retain some salary.

See, if we're gonna bring in a top 6 winger, someone's gotta go to create room.

You say Burrows, I say Booth.

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian/Higgins/Hansen
NEW GUY - Kesler - Burrows

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian/Higgins/Hansen
Booth - Kesler - NEW GUY

OBVIOUSLY Burrows is a WAY better forward than Booth.

Wot say we keep him then EH WOT?

Ummmmm did you want to ADD to the top-6.... or not?

Rumsfeld wrote: (trading high picks is) a big mistake IMO, considering a rebuild is probably right around the corner

Well see, that's where you're wrong.

Rumsfeld wrote: Part of being a good GM is knowing when to pull the plug on guys

... and part of being a good GM is knowing NOT to trade your heart & soul forward when a Cup is within reach.

So yeah, coupla separate deals but basically...

Edler/Bieksa + Booth + 1st-rounder out.

Elite scoring winger + ASSHOLE in.

Or just DROP THE FRICKEN PUCK and pray both Kassian and Booth have career years.

We're already "stuck" with our top 6. The time to trade was after the Cup run, a quick retooling ... that window has long passed.

Look forward to a pretender contender for the next few years. We'll need Bo and Hunter to turn into elite players, some astute drafting/trades by GMMG, and a few lucky breaks before we end up on top of the pile again.

Don't get me wrong, I love our Canucks, but any Cup run in the near future will be cinderella-style. Strangely, I prefer it that way.

Why all the negativity???

Let's compare the one-game-away-from-the-Cup 2010-11 team with next year's squad (as it looks thus far).

Shall we?

***********************************************************************

Sedin – Sedin – Burrows
Raymond – Kesler – Samuelsson
Higgins – Malhotra – Hansen
Torres – Lapierre – Tambellini/Glass

Hamhuis – Bieksa
Edler – Ehrhoff
Ballard – Salo
Alberts – Rome

Luongo/Schneids

***********************************************************************

Sedin – Sedin – Burrows
Booth – Kesler – Kassian
Higgins – Schroeder/Gaunce/Richardson – Hansen
Schroeder/Gaunce/Richardson – Lain - Weise
Sestito

Hamhuis – Bieksa
Edler – Tanev
Garrison - Corrado
Alberts(say) – Weber

Luongo/Lack

***********************************************************************

So all we need is

... that #1 line to prove the shortened season was the problem (hey they DID start very slowly)

... Kassian to play like Samuelsson

... Gaunce to play like Malhotra

... Garrison to play like Salo

... Corrado to play like Ehrhoff

... Lou to return to form

... and Lack to play like Schneider

...









HEY why do... I... have to play the role of Mr Positive all the time?!!

I agree with you Doc... Canucks will win their division and the Stanley cup...

TDA Rum wrote:I agree with you Doc... Canucks will win their division and the Stanley cup...

You're dam tootin there skippy

Strangelove wrote:

Rumsfeld wrote: If you trade Bieksa and especially Edler, you'd need a top-4 D coming back.

Not if you thought Tanev could handle top-4 minutes

Ok, I stopped reading right there.

Fell from my chair laughing.

I'm better now.

Death
taxes
Nucks not winning the cup.

all 3 things are guaranteed in life.

the 3rd item for a few more years at least.

This team will of course make the playoffs but no change to the core and we expect a different result than the last 2 seasons. I don't think so.

Only significant trades and no one is expendable could change the fortune on this team.

5thhorseman wrote:We're already "stuck" with our top 6. The time to trade was after the Cup run, a quick retooling ... that window has long passed.

Look forward to a pretender contender for the next few years. We'll need Bo and Hunter to turn into elite players, some astute drafting/trades by GMMG, and a few lucky breaks before we end up on top of the pile again.

Don't get me wrong, I love our Canucks, but any Cup run in the near future will be cinderella-style. Strangely, I prefer it that way.

cant argue with this type of common sense...

Strangelove wrote:
So all we need is

... Kassian to play like Samuelsson


... and Lack to play like Schneider

WTF?

We want the guy that is supposed to be our second coming of Bertuzzi (minus Moore) to play like a soft Swedish 20 goal sniper?

And who cares about Lack playing like Schneider. Cory only saw 40 minutes of ice time in the playoffs in 2011. Lou just has to play like Lou (minus games 3, 4, and 6).

Reefer2 wrote: This team will of course make the playoffs but no change to the core and we expect a different result than the last 2 seasons. I don't think so.

Kesler being healthy would be significant change.

Per wrote:

Reefer2 wrote: This team will of course make the playoffs but no change to the core and we expect a different result than the last 2 seasons. I don't think so.

Kesler being healthy would be significant change.

the team being healthy would be a significant change