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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Meds » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:04 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote:This likely won't be a very popular post but I think the Vancouver Canucks biggest issue is the decline of Henrik and Daniel Sedin.

Whether last season was all on the system played and other intangibles is more or less drawing away from the meat of the problem. They have peaked and will not ever likely come close to being the point machines they once were. Coupled with a 7 million dollar cap hit each and it most certainly has to be the elephant in the room.

I realize how valuable they have been to the team over the years and would like to see our team keep them but the reality is they are now dramatically over paid and keeping the team from moving forward as a franchise.

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You're probably right, we will know in 6 months.

Their contracts are definitely boat anchors that we will be hating in 2 years time.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Island Nucklehead » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:09 pm

Meds wrote:Their contracts are definitely boat anchors that we will be hating in 2 years time.


It really depends on where the cap is at. Right now they'll be 15/16th highest paid forwards in the game. I would imagine that in a couple years they will be in the 20's, as players like Kane ($8M+), Toews ($8M+), Kopitar ($8M+), Benn ($7M+) etc. get new deals.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby nuckster » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:28 pm

Meds wrote:
Uncle dans leg wrote:This likely won't be a very popular post but I think the Vancouver Canucks biggest issue is the decline of Henrik and Daniel Sedin.

Whether last season was all on the system played and other intangibles is more or less drawing away from the meat of the problem. They have peaked and will not ever likely come close to being the point machines they once were. Coupled with a 7 million dollar cap hit each and it most certainly has to be the elephant in the room.

I realize how valuable they have been to the team over the years and would like to see our team keep them but the reality is they are now dramatically over paid and keeping the team from moving forward as a franchise.

Thoughts?



Their contracts are definitely boat anchors that we will be hating in 2 years time.



This is one area where AV demonstrated superior coaching strategies compared to Torts. Where Torts advocated for 'all my players will be shot-blocking and my best players need to be on the penalty kill as well', AV opted to utilize the Sedin's selectively esp. for offensive zone face-offs/situations. Under Tort's, the Sedin's appeared to run out of gas in the second half of the season - they were spent/over-used/cooked.

So most here would agree with you Uncle Dan BUT it's probably the case that the Sedin's will have value if they're played in selective situations (like 1st string powerplay NOT penalty kills). It's unfortunate we don't have a bonafied second line to to come on and assume first line duty and then have the Sedin's drop into a second line role.

But yeah. many of us have been talking about THIS elephant in the room for awhile now even though there's been a number of parties who really get their backs up when suggestions are made that the Sedin's have indeed had their day and we're now witnessing the decline; add to this the fact that they are guaranteed to receive 14 per over the next couple of seasons. You got to wonder WTF Gillis thinking? While I'm onto Gillis here, did you guys know that he put in a 'no-trade' clause that kicks in on Jannick Hansen's contact this year???!!?? Jannick fuckin Hansen. So apparently there are now 8 players on the roster with NTC's. Gawd.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Island Nucklehead » Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:34 pm

nuckster wrote:While I'm onto Gillis here, did you guys know that he put in a 'no-trade' clause that kicks in on Jannick Hansen's contact this year???!!?? Jannick fuckin Hansen. So apparently there are now 8 players on the roster with NTC's. Gawd.


Pretty brutal, eh? Although it is a Modified NTC, so who knows how many teams he can veto a trade to...
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Cornuck » Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:38 pm

nuckster wrote:While I'm onto Gillis here, did you guys know that he put in a 'no-trade' clause that kicks in on Jannick Hansen's contact this year???!!?? Jannick fuckin Hansen. So apparently there are now 8 players on the roster with NTC's. Gawd.


Will that kick in after we ship him off to Florida?
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Jovocop » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:50 am

As expected, the two most important RFAs are qualified. GMJB must be trying hard to trade Schroeder and Dalpe for something now...

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The agent for #Canucks forward Zac Dalpe hasn't received his qualifying offer yet this morning unlike Tanev & Kassian.

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#Canucks give qualifing offers to Kassian & Tanev - no offer this a.m yet for Jordan Schroeder.

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The #Canucks just sent a qualifying offer to RFA Zack Kassian.

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The #Canucks just sent a qualifying offer to RFA defenseman Chris Tanev.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Southern_Canuck » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:41 pm

June 30 2013 - Jun 27 2014

Out:
Cory Schneider
Roberto Luongo
Steve Anthony
Ryan Kesler
3rd round pick in 2015
Jason Garrison

In:
9th overall pick in 2013 draft (Bo Horvat)
Jacob Markstrom
Shawn Matthias
Nick Bonino
Luca Sbisa
24th overall pick in 2014 draft
Derek Dorsett
50th overall pick in 2014 draft

I know there are mitigating circumstances, but the list is kind of a downer...

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Betamax » Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:28 pm

via: https://twitter.com/ElliottPap/status/4 ... 0482095105

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BREAKING: Canucks reach agreement with RW Zack Kassian on 2-year deal worth $3.5 million. Cap hit of $1.75 million. #canucks

7:24 PM - 3 Jul 2014


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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:33 pm

Betamax wrote:via: https://twitter.com/ElliottPap/status/4 ... 0482095105

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BREAKING: Canucks reach agreement with RW Zack Kassian on 2-year deal worth $3.5 million. Cap hit of $1.75 million. #canucks

7:24 PM - 3 Jul 2014


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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Lancer » Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:44 pm

Good term and good cap hit - and it's been done this week.

Looks like Benning is aiming for the 2-3 year mark to be a decisive point in the franchise. Either the current crop of prospects are making an impact and the new core is ready to contend and they build around that core; or they let the 2/3-year contract guys go for picks and prospects and Benning re-stocks the cupboard.

It will be an interesting 2-3 years to watch. ;)
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Betamax » Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:51 pm

Lancer wrote:Good term and good cap hit - and it's been done this week.

Looks like Benning is aiming for the 2-3 year mark to be a decisive point in the franchise. Either the current crop of prospects are making an impact and the new core is ready to contend and they build around that core; or they let the 2/3-year contract guys go for picks and prospects and Benning re-stocks the cupboard.

It will be an interesting 2-3 years to watch. ;)


Now all Linden/Benning/Gilman and Co. need to do is get Tanev at under 3M AAV for a couple of years and that would be a very productive off-season, signing their two key roster players under 25. :mex:
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:24 pm

Great term and cap. Plenty of incentive for Zach to have two great years and sign big. I imagine Vey will be relatively easy to sign as will Weber. Tanev will depend upon whether they sign him to top 4 or a bridge contract. I imagine they way Benning is trending he will try for a two year bridge type deal. Let's hope he can keep it under 3 million.

If he can do that and lock up Vey and weber we will be set with perhaps 1-2 million in cap, with one goalie too many and perhaps a forward to jettison. A good cap position.

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:28 pm

Southern_Canuck wrote:June 30 2013 - Jun 27 2014

Out:
Cory Schneider
Roberto Luongo
Steve Anthony
Ryan Kesler
3rd round pick in 2015
Jason Garrison

In:
9th overall pick in 2013 draft (Bo Horvat)
Jacob Markstrom
Shawn Matthias
Nick Bonino
Luca Sbisa
24th overall pick in 2014 draft
Derek Dorsett
50th overall pick in 2014 draft

I know there are mitigating circumstances, but the list is kind of a downer...

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby BurningBeard » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:42 pm

Southern_Canuck wrote:June 30 2013 - Jun 27 2014

Out:
Cory Schneider
Roberto Luongo
Steve Anthony
Ryan Kesler
3rd round pick in 2015
Jason Garrison

In:
9th overall pick in 2013 draft (Bo Horvat)
Jacob Markstrom
Shawn Matthias
Nick Bonino
Luca Sbisa
24th overall pick in 2014 draft
Derek Dorsett
50th overall pick in 2014 draft

I know there are mitigating circumstances, but the list is kind of a downer...

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Hank » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:11 pm

BurningBeard wrote:Tell me about it. Steve Anothony was my favorite MuchMusic VJ. :oops: We should have never let him go.


Steve Anthony was such a douche. Was always making fun of little Kim Clarke Champniss on the air.

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