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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Wed May 14, 2014 1:50 pm

Meds wrote:
Groovypippin wrote:My own weird opinion is that you get better by trying to get better, not by trying to get worse.


Interesting thought.


Glad that... someone... finally got through to you.

Tell me, do you have dozens of posters on ignore? :sly:
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby nuckster » Wed May 14, 2014 1:53 pm

SKYO wrote:
Arachnid wrote:Yeah, great, we trade our two best goalies in the history of the franchise, fire a coach that has made it into the Final Four not a year later....and you still think The Core™ has what it takes....it doesn't take any thought to see what this team has done in the past to retool and how did that work out? Huh tough guy?
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I thought so.
Not one Cup Appearance in the Naslund Era....
Go sit down and watch from the sidelines....you got infected with the same thing Doc has...
Blow it the fuck up and rebuild....you will not win a Stanley Cup Championship with the Sedin Brothers as the leaders...they had their chance....time to step aside and let the young's be the ones....


I was talking to mondi btw.

MG was atrocious at retooling though, he kept the same core in place in his entire tenure here pretty much.

The Sedins ain't going anywhere, so just get em big dude on the wing, like Byfuglien.

Then get Kesler a Parise like winger.

And then bring along Horvat/Jensen/Corrado.


My apologies SKYO for stepping in uninvited. In all fairness to yourself it appears that you're actually being a 'realist' when it comes to our prevailing reality - I mean you're quite right about the Sedin's not going anywhere so some of us have to get over ourselves and accept that fact. Then ofcourse all your can do is what you can to supplement 'some' of the core while bringing along new blood and picks where ya can. It's not rocket science. Having said this, a strong case could be made that we're creating a no where middle of the road reality - non stanley cup material and non elite draft picks. Personally I'm not sure how to travel the road going forward, but that's what dudes with the big bucks are paid for i guess. I'll just bitch and bemoan it all from my arm chair like the rest of us.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby nuckster » Wed May 14, 2014 1:57 pm

Mondi wrote:...this team is not one player away from competing. Please stop suggesting all Kesler needs is an elite winger.

The Penguins are objectively FAR superior to Vancouver...yet they aren't really even close.

The team needs a rebuild from the ground up. Some pieces are in place, yes. But, for the most part you cannot deny they are exactly 2-12 in their last 14 playoff games.

They also have three rookie-ish goalies.

The risk of being Oilers is off-set in spades by the risk of being the Avs, the Hawks, the Kings, or even the Penguins.

All those teams had BRUTAL seasons before their got their stars.

A purposeful tank is not the plan, but a tactful trading away of ageing vets for picks and prospects ought to be.

Whether it is this summer or next, it will have to be done at some point. If the plan is to try to make the playoff next year and load up a bit, sure maybe that can work for 2014-2015. But, after that it should stop, and should probably not be attempted.


I missed reading this earlier, well said Mondi.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Wed May 14, 2014 2:02 pm

nuckster wrote:Well... have to say, I agree with Arachnid here.. 'it' happens (said a dubbed Forrest Gump)


Well Aquilinis are most certainly not going to "Blow it the fuck up and rebuild"

... no matter how much folks like you and Mondi and Arachnid bitch and moan.

Shit happens. :drink:
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Mondi » Wed May 14, 2014 2:17 pm

SL, I tend to agree.

Just hoping there is a good plan one way or the other.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Wed May 14, 2014 2:34 pm

Mondi wrote:SL, I tend to agree.


Wh-wh-what the..... :look:

Well it was bound to happen sooner or later. :wink:

Now JUST BELIEVE your Vancouver Canucks will win your Stanley Cup and have a hit of this...

*passes pipe*
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby $lacker » Thu May 15, 2014 4:18 pm

Some interesting tidbits from Gary Mason today on Team 1040. http://t.co/W0bd3pwKf3

A- Torts recommended a Burrows buyout
B- Torts didn't talk to Travis Green in Utica ONCE all season. Now there's a coach interested in the youth movement.
C- A good David Booth story. Sounds like lots of tension in the room.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Betamax » Thu May 15, 2014 4:46 pm

$lacker wrote:Some interesting tidbits from Gary Mason today in Team 1040. http://t.co/W0bd3pwKf3

A- Torts recommended a Burrows buyout
B- Torts didn't talk to Travis Green in Utica ONCE all season. Now there's a coach interested in the youth movement.
C- A good David Booth story. Sounds like lots of tension in the room.


Unless I heard it wrong, didn't Mason say that Fonzie allegedly recommend that during the season? If that's the case, he is complete clueless and he should have been the guy that was axed during the season.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Betamax » Thu May 15, 2014 5:25 pm

Betamax wrote:
$lacker wrote:Some interesting tidbits from Gary Mason today in Team 1040. http://t.co/W0bd3pwKf3

A- Torts recommended a Burrows buyout
B- Torts didn't talk to Travis Green in Utica ONCE all season. Now there's a coach interested in the youth movement.
C- A good David Booth story. Sounds like lots of tension in the room.


Unless I heard it wrong, didn't Mason say that Fonzie allegedly recommend that during the season? If that's the case, he is complete clueless and he should have been the guy that was axed during the season.


Okay I heard Mason's comment, he mentioned "at some point in the season" and was pushing it allegedly towards Management and Ownership. Which implies how fucked up the Coaching Staff was.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Todd Bersnoozi » Thu May 15, 2014 5:52 pm

$lacker wrote:A- Torts recommended a Burrows buyout


I find that kind of odd, Torts played Burr A LOT most of the season (almost always with the Sedins and played PP). If anything, I thought Burr was getting preferential treatment from the coach despite Burr struggling most of the season.


B- Torts didn't talk to Travis Green in Utica ONCE all season.


Hmmm, maybe the Canucks should of let Torts pick the farm coach and send down Sully or something. :lol: I was pretty happy with the work of Travis Green though. I just look at Jensen who struggled in Utica early in the season (think he had like zero goals @ the 30 game mark), but Green kept working with him. When Jensen was called up, he scored some nice goals and looks ready to push for a roster spot with us next season. The Comets were really weak on paper too and Green got the most out of them all things considered.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby ClamRussel » Thu May 15, 2014 6:03 pm

Betamax wrote:
Betamax wrote:
$lacker wrote:Some interesting tidbits from Gary Mason today in Team 1040. http://t.co/W0bd3pwKf3

A- Torts recommended a Burrows buyout
B- Torts didn't talk to Travis Green in Utica ONCE all season. Now there's a coach interested in the youth movement.
C- A good David Booth story. Sounds like lots of tension in the room.


Unless I heard it wrong, didn't Mason say that Fonzie allegedly recommend that during the season? If that's the case, he is complete clueless and he should have been the guy that was axed during the season.


Okay I heard Mason's comment, he mentioned "at some point in the season" and was pushing it allegedly towards Management and Ownership. Which implies how fucked up the Coaching Staff was.


I don't buy this for one second, total bullshit. If he really felt Burrows was so bad that the team would be better off w/o him (not a trade, just remove him via buyout) he would have made him a regular healthy scratch...often...which he did not. I used to like Mason, but this is total crap. Thats the state of Vancouver sports media-gossip. He scratched Booth, Weise, Kassian etc but never Burrows. Doesn't add up.

B-Mac refers to the head coach of the Comets as "Trent Green."
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Betamax » Thu May 15, 2014 6:23 pm

ClamRussel wrote:
Betamax wrote:Okay I heard Mason's comment, he mentioned "at some point in the season" and was pushing it allegedly towards Management and Ownership. Which implies how fucked up the Coaching Staff was.


I don't buy this for one second, total bullshit. If he really felt Burrows was so bad that the team would be better off w/o him (not a trade, just remove him via buyout) he would have made him a regular healthy scratch...often...which he did not. I used to like Mason, but this is total crap. Thats the state of Vancouver sports media-gossip. He scratched Booth, Weise, Kassian etc but never Burrows. Doesn't add up.

B-Mac refers to the head coach of the Comets as "Trent Green."
Back to baseball.
Clueless.


Clam, what was your opinion of Torts' when he was first hired here and then began coaching the team?
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Betamax » Thu May 15, 2014 6:44 pm

Todd Bersnoozi wrote:
$lacker wrote:A- Torts recommended a Burrows buyout


I find that kind of odd, Torts played Burr A LOT most of the season (almost always with the Sedins and played PP). If anything, I thought Burr was getting preferential treatment from the coach despite Burr struggling most of the season.


Politics could have played a role of him playing Burr even though he may have wanted him out. He saw the grief he got for benching a player he loved i.e. Richards and maybe felt it wasn't worth the aggravation. It's not like the Canucks' had players sitting out that were better than Burr despite his struggles.


B- Torts didn't talk to Travis Green in Utica ONCE all season.


Hmmm, maybe the Canucks should of let Torts pick the farm coach and send down Sully or something. :lol: I was pretty happy with the work of Travis Green though. I just look at Jensen who struggled in Utica early in the season (think he had like zero goals @ the 30 game mark), but Green kept working with him. When Jensen was called up, he scored some nice goals and looks ready to push for a roster spot with us next season. The Comets were really weak on paper too and Green got the most out of them all things considered.


That just seems bizarre. I mean if they were going to recall someone, did he tell his Asst. to talk to Green on who was the best call up? But besides call-ups, I think the Coaches should talk regularly ... to ensure that the systems deployed in the minors is similar to what Torts was preaching, so call-ups aren't completely clueless on how things are done with the big club.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby ClamRussel » Thu May 15, 2014 6:51 pm

Betamax wrote:
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Betamax wrote:Okay I heard Mason's comment, he mentioned "at some point in the season" and was pushing it allegedly towards Management and Ownership. Which implies how fucked up the Coaching Staff was.


I don't buy this for one second, total bullshit. If he really felt Burrows was so bad that the team would be better off w/o him (not a trade, just remove him via buyout) he would have made him a regular healthy scratch...often...which he did not. I used to like Mason, but this is total crap. Thats the state of Vancouver sports media-gossip. He scratched Booth, Weise, Kassian etc but never Burrows. Doesn't add up.

B-Mac refers to the head coach of the Comets as "Trent Green."
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Clam, what was your opinion of Torts' when he was first hired here and then began coaching the team?


I was torn. I recall being happy the country-club atmosphere was being shaken up but didn't necessarily think we were getting an upgrade in terms of a coach. AV appeared to have gotten stale, the crew appeared to have tuned him out a bit. They certainly weren't working hard enough. I didn't like Torts' declarations one bit. The idea of using the Twins to kill penalties and block shots sounded absurd to me. We had players to do that. They weren't getting any younger and had their best years under Vigneault. AV knew how to use them. I saw that as a negative. I remember being concerned w/ how things ended in NY for Torts. It was basically mutiny. I didn't believe he had changed in only a few months. I appreciated how candid he was but thought he said some insensitive and odd things at the same time. I was disappointed we didn't hire Stevens but preferred Torts to Gulutzan. I remember enjoying how the media were squirming over Torts, they were scared. That was a positive. Something had to give, the playoffs were a total disaster since '11. I thought MG would do more.

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby ClamRussel » Thu May 15, 2014 6:56 pm

Betamax wrote:
Todd Bersnoozi wrote:
$lacker wrote:A- Torts recommended a Burrows buyout


I find that kind of odd, Torts played Burr A LOT most of the season (almost always with the Sedins and played PP). If anything, I thought Burr was getting preferential treatment from the coach despite Burr struggling most of the season.


Politics could have played a role of him playing Burr even though he may have wanted him out. He saw the grief he got for benching a player he loved i.e. Richards and maybe felt it wasn't worth the aggravation. It's not like the Canucks' had players sitting out that were better than Burr despite his struggles.


Nonsense. If the Canucks didn't have players sitting out who were better than Burrows then why would he recommend a buyout? That would make the team worse by math alone. Burrows on the 2nd or 3rd line makes sense if he's no longer a top line player. Buying him out when we have Booth who was being scratched? Nah, don't buy it. Its a smear job by someone. Ask yourself this: who in Canucks brass was known to leak info or spread disinformation?
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