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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby ClamRussel » Fri May 02, 2014 12:49 pm

Topper wrote:A year and a half ago, on the Vancouver roster, Manny was on par with Ebbett so the roster moves were not surprising. To suggest that the player he is for Carolina is the same as the player he was for the Canucks a year and a half ago is asinine at best.


No one suggested that, but it proves something...that he was a better player than the situation he was put in. He was struggling but the Carolina example is proof that he just needed more time and some responsibility and icetime. He was fighting the puck no doubt but the proof is in the pudding, the official story doesn't hold water.

The elephant is still there.

Meds wrote:Malhotra and Ballard will forever remain a mystery to me with Gillis. Both of them his acquisitions that had become "unusable" for this team, and he would sooner "lay one off" and buyout the other, rather than admit he was wrong and make a trade that may have seemed like something that was less than market value. It's like someone coming up to you and saying, "Hey, you know that car you are paying $100 to have a wrecker haul off to the yard? Well I'll give you $50 for it, I'll come pick it up and take it away so I can part it out." Gillis would probably say, "Fuck you, if I'm not gonna let you make a profit off of something of mine, I'd rather throw money away than make some and let you make more."


Apples & oranges. Had Malhotra not had the eye injury its conceivable we would have won the Cup. That was a major hit to the team. Between him & Kesler we were deadly on the draw and on the PK. Malhotra and Torres were as effective a 3rd line as there was at the time.

I wanted them to stand by Manny, he brought leadership to the room & his departure left a void. Hopefully they can bring him back as a coach someday. Put him in charge of improving faceoffs and the PK etc.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Topper » Fri May 02, 2014 1:32 pm

ClamRussel wrote:
Topper wrote:A year and a half ago, on the Vancouver roster, Manny was on par with Ebbett so the roster moves were not surprising. To suggest that the player he is for Carolina is the same as the player he was for the Canucks a year and a half ago is asinine at best.


No one suggested that, but it proves something...that he was a better player than the situation he was put in. He was struggling but the Carolina example is proof that he just needed more time and some responsibility and icetime. He was fighting the puck no doubt but the proof is in the pudding, the official story doesn't hold water.

The elephant is still there.

No, The guy stunk and couldn't hold his spot on tight roster. He was displaced by a utility 13th forward in Ebbett and couldn't compete for minutes with Lappy and Schoeder.

Where do you free up the roster spots. Please tell us mollusk.

Your Canuck roster is getting worse as you keep making these assertions.

Kassian on the first line without learning two way play, Sestito on the 1st unit PP, Diaz QB'ing the defence on the PP, and now patience keeping old blind man Manny around for another go.

Your revisionist history makes RD look credible. Do you believe the roster is unlimited?

As for the unspoken elephant in the room, is that how you refer to HW, Meds, Coco, myself and several others who saw the move coming?

Check the record, I provided links above, there was plenty of discussion at the time.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby herb » Fri May 02, 2014 2:20 pm

After the eye injury Manny was a shadow of his former self. Maybe he is a bit better now than that sad old dog we witnessed for several months, but I'd wager that Santorelli and Richardson are both far superior players to present-day Malhotra.

In 2012, Manny lost his job to Lapierre and Ebbett. Maybe the move to shut him down was a dick move, but the Canucks were his employers and made a business decision for whatever reason(s).

Manny got paid $7.5M here (nearly half of his career earnings) for one good season for Chrissakes. Too bad he got injured. Oh well.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby donlever » Fri May 02, 2014 2:29 pm

...we can wax poetic and wish it were different but generally speaking in the big business world (which the NHL clearly is) dick moves are made on a daily basis to better either your hand or the one that feeds you.

Such is life in the big, bad city.

Plus, as herb intimates, Manny has a pocketful of cash and certainly doesn't need our empathy.

I hope Gillis was thinking of the team in this instance.

Doing otherwise appears to have contributed to his fall from grace.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby ClamRussel » Fri May 02, 2014 3:40 pm

The main issue here was not that Malhotra was dispatched off the team, it was the line of bullshit that was fed. While I think he still should have been on the team ahead of Ebbett, you guys disagree. Its subjective. I am aware he wasn't playing great at the time, I believe he would have played through it and he did just that. I'm not even saying he'd be on the team now. If you want to believe the story that was dished out then open wide. Troller has a history of tendencies towards straw man arguments so its no surprise that this conversation shifted to Manny's performance. I don't recall that factor coming up in the press conference. Arguing that his play didn't warrant being on the roster (and someone had to go) backs up my assertion that the official story doesn't pass the smell test. Only a troll can argue against someone (repeatedly) while inadvertently supporting their case.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby herb » Fri May 02, 2014 4:13 pm

Gillis claiming that Manny was incapable of playing allowed the Canucks to put Manny on LTIR for the rest of the year.

Manny on LTIR meant that he still got to train with the team, visit with team doctors and trainers and get paid.

Manny on LTIR also gave the Canucks some cap flexibility.

The loss of Manny was not a big one at that time. I recall his play being somewhere between awful and less than mediocre most nights.

Manny on LTIR avoided him being thrown to the Wolves and perhaps the embarrassment of perhaps being scratched by an AHL team.

Maybe it was a line of bullshit. Maybe it was good management. As a manager, I can tell you bullshit is sometimes a part of being a good manager.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Topper » Fri May 02, 2014 4:29 pm

Once again, the mollusc is left back peddling when his position is challenged.

and now crying about it.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Topper » Fri May 02, 2014 4:43 pm

herb wrote: As a manager, I can tell you bullshit is sometimes a part of being a good manager.

Rarely. I prefer being upfront and honest with my guys. Even if the news is brutal. Sure it may hurt, but you don't wait around for the blowback when the mistress sells the phone tapes and the truth hits. Folks know where they stand.

Never been a fan of the my way or the highway, except for newbs, top down dictates. No reason not to be honest with an experienced crew.

How forthcoming was the Nanaimo mill?

An angle that was never mentioned was Manny's role as player rep to the NHLPA. You would think that he felt the shu8t down by GMMG was so unpalatable, he could have filed a grievance. Lends even more credence that there was genuine concern for Manny's health (along with the convenience of freeing a roster spot). Now there is a story for the grassy knoll.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby ClamRussel » Fri May 02, 2014 4:45 pm

herb wrote:Gillis claiming that Manny was incapable of playing allowed the Canucks to put Manny on LTIR for the rest of the year.

Manny on LTIR meant that he still got to train with the team, visit with team doctors and trainers and get paid.

Manny on LTIR also gave the Canucks some cap flexibility.

The loss of Manny was not a big one at that time. I recall his play being somewhere between awful and less than mediocre most nights.

Manny on LTIR avoided him being thrown to the Wolves and perhaps the embarrassment of perhaps being scratched by an AHL team.

Maybe it was a line of bullshit. Maybe it was good management. As a manager, I can tell you bullshit is sometimes a part of being a good manager.


Maybe so Herb, although it's been reported he was never put on LTIR that year, only Booth was. Logic would dictate he was but perhaps there was a fine print reason for this.

Listen, this whole conversation started because I suggested Manny was likely "shut down" for cap/roster reasons & HW had never heard that angle. That is all. Don't feed the troll.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Topper » Fri May 02, 2014 4:57 pm

ClamRussel wrote: HW had never heard that angle.

Odd, I found her posts from the time the shutdown occurred and she was suggesting he was shut down for cap reasons. Even compared it to Edler/Salo. My guess, she simply forgot.

In fact, as I linked to in a previous post a page back, there was an extensive discussion about it at the time and I even predicted it happening.

Should I post the link again?

Your silent elephant in the room never existed.

You also suggested that Manny's on ice performance did not warrant him loosing his spot, several here, including myself, disagree and noted that Ebbet was passing him on the depth chart.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Hockey Widow » Fri May 02, 2014 7:06 pm

Topper wrote:
ClamRussel wrote: HW had never heard that angle.

Odd, I found her posts from the time the shutdown occurred and she was suggesting he was shut down for cap reasons. Even compared it to Edler/Salo. My guess, she simply forgot.

In fact, as I linked to in a previous post a page back, there was an extensive discussion about it at the time and I even predicted it happening.

Should I post the link again?

Your silent elephant in the room never existed.

You also suggested that Manny's on ice performance did not warrant him loosing his spot, several here, including myself, disagree and noted that Ebbet was passing him on the depth chart.



No noon, one repost to a link is enough. I did forget. I am old!
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby ClamRussel » Fri May 02, 2014 9:01 pm

Topper wrote:
ClamRussel wrote: HW had never heard that angle.

Odd, I found her posts from the time the shutdown occurred and she was suggesting he was shut down for cap reasons. Even compared it to Edler/Salo. My guess, she simply forgot.

In fact, as I linked to in a previous post a page back, there was an extensive discussion about it at the time and I even predicted it happening.

Should I post the link again?

Your silent elephant in the room never existed.

You also suggested that Manny's on ice performance did not warrant him loosing his spot, several here, including myself, disagree and noted that Ebbet was passing him on the depth chart.


Listen, I have no desire to check the database for everyone's take going back years ago. That's your shtick, fill 'yer boots. let me spell this out for you. The conversation about the "shut down" came about because she said she hadn't heard about it. The fact she had & forgot is besides the point and irrelevant. Another straw man diversion, you should get into politics. You'd fit right in.

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby BurningBeard » Fri May 02, 2014 9:49 pm

ClamRussel wrote:The elephant is still there, open your eyes & you'll see it.

Dear Lord, I wish I hadn't! What's wrong with you Clam?

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Fri May 02, 2014 10:18 pm

Right BurningBeard, something wrong with.... Clam! :lol:
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Todd Bersnoozi » Sat May 03, 2014 1:17 am

ClamRussel wrote:The main issue here was not that Malhotra was dispatched off the team, it was the line of bullshit that was fed. While I think he still should have been on the team ahead of Ebbett, you guys disagree.


MG was a spin doctor for sure, he was the Denny Savards of GMs (master spinaramas). I always found it odd that Manny can come back and play vs the Bs in 2011 and play 78 games + playoffs vs kings in 2012, then all the sudden he's a risk to himself in 2013. Manny, don't go walking on the street anymore because u can't see cars coming from your periphery vision. Manny, don't drive cuz u won't be able to see the red lights and u will cause a serious accident. Whatever Dr. Fuckin Mike Gillis. *LOL* Seriously, if MG had a doctor who concluded that Manny was in risk out there, he would have a case; however, it was just MG's opinion, so it was total BS.

As far as Ebbett goes, Ebbett is a servicable player, but he's a fringe NHLer @ best. Ebbett is really resticted as a NHL player; coaches won't throw out him out there vs big strong guys cuz he will get over-powered nor elite skilled guys cuz he's not a good enuff checker. Manny on the other hand, u can throw him out there in just about any situation and he'll matchup quite well (good size to handle the muscle and a good checker to mitigate high octain offence). Sure, Manny may not have been as good as he was before his eye incident, but he still brought something to the table that no one else was able to provide. He was still a good faceoff man, PK guy and a valuable leader in the dressing room. It was pretty clear that when he was kicked off the team, the team lost an edge/swagger. I know Manny was popular in the dressing room as well and although no one would come out and say it, the players probably felt like it was a kick in the balls from management. If they can do that to Manny, what's to say that they won't do that to us if we were in a similar situation? Manny was a leader and played tuff minutes for us, who the heck is going to replace him? Schroeder? Lap-Dawg? Ebbett? We're fucked.

Schroeder is too small, too green and he can't really play the 3rd like checking role like Manny. As much as I liked Lap-Dawg, he was totally played out his comfort zone with Manny gone and when Kes got injured again. Lappy was a liability during that time, but he was pretty much all we had. Ebbett vs Manny? It's no contest. Manny played like 70 games for the Canes and they made him an Assistant Captain almost immediately; Ebbett on the other hand is back with an AHL team. Their careers speaks for themselves, Manny is only like 2 years older and has played over 900 games in the NHL, Ebbett has barely played 200.
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