Come to your senses man, straight up we ain't getting a top 5 pick for Edler, straight up we might be able to get Mantha and Smith. Sign me up cause the Q is producing some of Canada's brightest offensive stars lately - McKinnon and Drouin.
Don't forget some of the current NHL superstars.....Crosby comes to mind.
The Q is all about offense, there are plenty of players who came into the NHL from the Q that fizzled because of their inflated stats and inability to play a complete game or battle through real defense to produce points. Crosby, obviously, is a one in ten thousand kind of player, but he's a good example of someone who had all the chops offensively but also the mental game to play at both ends of the ice. But it took him a few years to stop whining all of the time and finally battle through adversity even when he didn't get the calls.
RD wrote:I like Fox but the kid has a fucking mountain to climb to get here, not a very good skater and in the small side 6'0" - 180 lbs. Bad combination which is why the scouts say he would have gone in the 2nd or 3rd round in this years draft if he were eligible
A giant with soft hands - Mantha? Fucking sign me up. Anyhow Hockey Canada thought enough of him to keep him on this years World Junior Team, not to mention that the kid put up there.
Fox is currently listed at 6'0" - 185lbs, he's an inch taller, and the same weight as Crosby when Sid entered the league. Granted he's almost 2 years older. No, I don't think he's a Crosby in the making, just a size comparison as you seem too be ready to dismissive regarding his chances and point to his size as a reason. But enough about Fox and Crosby, because beyond size they are not in the same ballpark as players.
Mantha is listed at 6' 4" - 187lbs.....ummmm.....
He's a bean pole. Sure he can fill out, and probably add 20 lbs to his frame, maybe 25. He's almost a year younger than Fox, so I figure that Fox can add 10-15 lbs if Mantha can add 20-25. So I think we can put the size issue aside at this point. As for skating, the scouting reports on Fox say he is actually a decent skater with good speed, he's doesn't have great speed, but he is above average. All that it points out is that he needs to work on his first step, and there plenty of players who enter the NHL ranks and need to work on their foot speed, particularly their first step explosiveness. Mantha is called a very good skater who has difficulty keeping his feet moving and struggles with consistency issues.
I for one really like Mantha's knack for scoring goals. He does seem to have an almost supernatural touch around the net, pucks just find a way to get by the goaltender when they come off of his stick. But I also think that some of these numbers are inflated by the inexperienced defense at the junior level. I'd say half of his goals at the WJC would not even have been chances at the NHL level. There were a few of his assists that were the result of him losing the puck and a teammate picking it up, he's a shoot first kind of guy, which is good, I like that after years of watching the Sedins do everything but shoot the puck when they get a look at the net, but Mantha could very well be a bust at the NHL level if his consistency doesn't improve.
I also like the fact that Fox has been snubbed at the pro level so far. That generally motivates a player, and when they get a shot at it they make the most of it. I'm not saying I take Fox over Mantha one way or the other, I really haven't seen either of them play very much first hand, in fact I haven't seen Fox play at all, just some highlights, but going just off of the reports and what I watched of Mantha at the WJC, I have to say that I think he could be one of those 1st round picks who plays a lot of years in the AHL as a dominant offensive player but never translates to the NHL level.