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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Meds » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:43 pm

Per wrote:Truly sucks. The Sedins + Loui Eriksson were meant to be our first line. :(

The twins already have Olympic and world championship gold medals though, so I think their main concern is winning Lord Stanley's cup, to have won all three major hockey competitions.


Then Daniel should probably stay home too.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:06 pm

Tough for Hank but the only logical choice. Rest is the only thing for a rib injury.

And to think that both Santorelli and Hank were knocked out by the same guy using his stick and said player received zero supplementary discipline on either play.

Ye, he got fined 5k for his hit on Booth, the one player who has actually played better since being hit.

I thought the NHL said injuries do matter?
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Jovocop » Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:12 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Tough for Hank but the only logical choice. Rest is the only thing for a rib injury.

And to think that both Santorelli and Hank were knocked out by the same guy using his stick and said player received zero supplementary discipline on either play.

Ye, he got fined 5k for his hit on Booth, the one player who has actually played better since being hit.

I thought the NHL said injuries do matter?


The NHL picked one of three high stick incidents for supplementary discipline. Obviously, they took the one that did no actual damage. A $5k fine means nothing to NHL players. I bet it would be 10+ games suspension if it was Kassian or Sestito instead of any players from the Coyotes. :evil:
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Topper » Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:01 pm

A chuck to the ribs is a constant game play. Last time I checked, ribs are below shoulder height, the only high stick was to Booth.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby rats19 » Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:13 pm

Topper wrote:A chuck to the ribs is a constant game play. Last time I checked, ribs are below shoulder height, the only high stick was to Booth.

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Cross-checking is an infraction in the sport of ice hockey where a player checks an opponent by using the shaft of his or her stick with both hands. In the rules of the National Hockey League, cross-checking is defined in Rule 59.[1]

While body checking is allowed, the use of the stick increases the risk of injury to an opponent. The most common penalty is a two minute minor, served by the offender. However under certain circumstances the referee may assess a major penalty (plus automatic Game Misconduct) or a Match Penalty if the action is judged to be an attempt to injure the player
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Jovocop » Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:56 pm

Topper wrote:A chuck to the ribs is a constant game play. Last time I checked, ribs are below shoulder height, the only high stick was to Booth.


To be exact, the hit on Booth was not even high stick. The freak on his knee is about the same height as Booth. However, the crosschecked on Santorelli could be classified as high stick. Hanzal put his stick under Santorelli's arm and raised it above his own freaking shoulder. :evil:

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby KeyserSoze » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:05 pm

Sure, the stick work on Santo and Hank could have easily both been called as 2 minute penalties...but really nothing more than that.

Both are pretty typical plays that rarely result in these types of injuries. Really bad luck that both players ended up injured the to the degree that they did.

The Booth play was imo the worst and the most deserving of supplemental.

That said, I hope the Canucks make a point of laying the lumber on Hanzal next game vs the Yotes.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Meds » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:05 pm

Jovocop wrote:
Topper wrote:A chuck to the ribs is a constant game play. Last time I checked, ribs are below shoulder height, the only high stick was to Booth.


To be exact, the hit on Booth was not even high stick. The freak on his knee is about the same height as Booth. However, the crosschecked on Santorelli could be classified as high stick. Hanzal put his stick under Santorelli's arm and raised it above his own freaking shoulder. :evil:



The best part is that Henrik went to the penalty box for hooking right before the cross-check. The ref was looking directly at Hank when Hanzal did that. No call.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Jovocop » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:31 pm

Meds wrote:
Jovocop wrote:
Topper wrote:A chuck to the ribs is a constant game play. Last time I checked, ribs are below shoulder height, the only high stick was to Booth.


To be exact, the hit on Booth was not even high stick. The freak on his knee is about the same height as Booth. However, the crosschecked on Santorelli could be classified as high stick. Hanzal put his stick under Santorelli's arm and raised it above his own freaking shoulder. :evil:



The best part is that Henrik went to the penalty box for hooking right before the cross-check. The ref was looking directly at Hank when Hanzal did that. No call.


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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Per » Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:16 pm

Jovocop wrote:
Meds wrote:The best part is that Henrik went to the penalty box for hooking right before the cross-check. The ref was looking directly at Hank when Hanzal did that. No call.


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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby RoyalDude » Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:13 pm

dbr wrote:Mantha's offensive ability is tempting but he is a one way guy who is pretty much known for a lack of intensity, heart, effort.. he is either going to have to prove he is a world class talent to succeed in the NHL, or completely reform his game. Plus he is way older than most of the guys drafted in 2013.. born a day or two earlier and he would have been a mid round pick in 2012. I don't know, lots to like about him but there are some pretty big red flags.

Smith, I haven't seen him play much but he's only three years younger than Edler and we had a pretty good idea of what kind of player Alex Edler could be by that age (a defenseman we have at the same age, Chris Tanev, probably isn't going to add any other big dimensions to his game either).

I wouldn't turn my nose up at either player but I'd hope we could do better for Edler.


So you are more comforted by those superficial, cliche Billy Beane attributes in a prospect, big, strong, fast, works hard, all around, coachable, etc? How about intangibles , how about the fact that he can fucking score! Every time I saw him he was dangerous, has a real nose for scoring, Johnny on the spot, if Detroit drafted him that should tell u something.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby dbr » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:21 am

RoyalDude wrote:So you are more comforted by those superficial, cliche Billy Beane attributes in a prospect, big, strong, fast, works hard, all around, coachable, etc? How about intangibles , how about the fact that he can fucking score! Every time I saw him he was dangerous, has a real nose for scoring, Johnny on the spot, if Detroit drafted him that should tell u something.


Aw cram it Dude, Brandon Reid was a great WJC scorer once. Cody Hodgson turned in a performance for the ages and is still a guy whose best games are the ones where he outscores his problems.

If Mantha had dropped to 24 and we got him instead of Hunter Shinkaruk I'd be pulling for him but when the people who watched him play are saying things like they do, that's not a guy I'd be jazzed about trading Alex Edler for.

I mean there was some talk about Carolina shopping their fifth overall pick for a top four defenseman, you could have taken Monahan with that pick (and Lindholm is no slouch either) and now we're supposed to get jazzed about a guy whose main selling point is that if he actually put in an effort his talent might put him on the same level as players like that?
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby RoyalDude » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:50 am

Go back and read the scathing scouting reports on Claude Giroux.

It's simple for me, we can't fucking score and Mantha is a pure goal scorer, you can't teach that shit. I could care less about his faults, everyone is flawed, but Mantha has a talent that we don't have, pure goal scorer. Also, he is pretty good set up man as well as he is at the top in the Q in assists, he bleeds offence, I can live with his faults

Mantha leads the Q in scoring - 42 games, 43 goals, 47 assists. Good enough for me, not too mention that he is 6'5" and not to mention he can produce against the best players in the world of his age group the WJC's

It's funny hearing CC Edler haters saying we could get a top 5 pick for him when these same folk run him through the ringer after each and every game for his mistakes and how much of an overrated D-man he is and that he ain't worth the money Gillis gave him, blah, blah, blah. Just research all of Meds post game posts, they are all about his disdain for Edler. "But we can get a top 5 pick for him!" Good luck with that

Do you not think that if Gillis had a chance to draft Monahan or Lindholm by just trading Edler for that chance he would have? What does that say about our GM if that were true? Even Gillis isn't that dense to turn that down, at least I hope not.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby dbr » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:47 am

RoyalDude wrote:Go back and read the scathing scouting reports on Claude Giroux.


What's your point? Is it that there are hundreds of kids with question marks every single year and that sometimes one of them turns into a high end player - and that's why we should trade a high end player for one of the hundreds of kids who in 2013 (as one of the oldest and in theory most polished players in his draft class) has a boatload of question marks around his future?

It's simple for me, we can't fucking score and Mantha is a pure goal scorer, you can't teach that shit. I could care less about his faults, everyone is flawed, but Mantha has a talent that we don't have, pure goal scorer. Also, he is pretty good set up man as well as he is at the top in the Q in assists, he bleeds offence, I can live with his faults

Mantha leads the Q in scoring - 42 games, 43 goals, 47 assists. Good enough for me, not too mention that he is 6'5" and not to mention he can produce against the best players in the world of his age group the WJC's


Well if the Canucks are going to leave Vancouver and set up shop in Val d'Or then sign me up because Mantha can definitely produce in the Q. Maybe we should deal Dan Hamhuis for Mathieu Perrault while we're at it, he put up some pretty good numbers in the Q (even outscored your boy Claude Giroux), although mysteriously it hasn't translated over to the NHL all that well...

Dane Fox - who is not even a full year older than Mantha - is producing in the OHL at a similar rate to what Mantha is in the Q. If the draft cut-off was September 10 instead of September 15 Mantha would just be having a ho-hum, "yeah it's nice but of course he's ripping it up" overage year.

It's funny hearing CC Edler haters saying we could get a top 5 pick for him when these same folk run him through the ringer after each and every game for his mistakes and how much of an overrated D-man he is and that he ain't worth the money Gillis gave him, blah, blah, blah. Just research all of Meds post game posts, they are all about his disdain for Edler. "But we can get a top 5 pick for him!" Good luck with that


This again... I know it is really, really, really easy to argue against a generalized group when you can project two inconsistent views onto everyone in it but I like Edler so it doesn't really do anything other than make you look like a self-indulgent old crank with a reading problem.

Do you not think that if Gillis had a chance to draft Monahan or Lindholm by just trading Edler for that chance he would have? What does that say about our GM if that were true? Even Gillis isn't that dense to turn that down, at least I hope not.


Who knows what exactly would have been on the table. Probably they would have wanted Edler plus something else, and who knows why that didn't pan out. Perhaps things would be different today but my point is that if Edler and a top pick in a great draft are even in the same conversation, there's no point in moving him for a project player (plus another project player who is further along in Smith).
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby RoyalDude » Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:56 am

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