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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:14 pm

The good news in all of this is that Santorelli should be cheap to sign next yeR :mrgreen:

Gotta feel for him. He was having a decent season with a chance to sign a 2-3 year deal worth more than the league minimum. Now that's all but toast.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Island Nucklehead » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:31 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:The good news in all of this is that Santorelli should be cheap to sign next yeR :mrgreen:

Gotta feel for him. He was having a decent season with a chance to sign a 2-3 year deal worth more than the league minimum. Now that's all but toast.


I would definitely look at signing him again for cheap. He seemed to fit in well with Torts system, and he's a fitness freak. We know how valuable the center position is, and he would be great insurance if Horvat isn't ready to roll full-time or injuries occur. Anything under $900K is risk-free, we can demote him and lose the cap-hit.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby mathonwy » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:54 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:The good news in all of this is that Santorelli should be cheap to sign next yeR :mrgreen:

Gotta feel for him. He was having a decent season with a chance to sign a 2-3 year deal worth more than the league minimum. Now that's all but toast.


I don't think so. I think what he showcased to the NHL so far was enough to convince most GM's that this guy was real deal. He's absolutely better than a 4th liner (and will continue to be so) and currently is a borderline 2nd/3rd liner.

If the Canucks try to lowball Santo, then I'm thinking some other goal starved team like Phoenix, Nashville, Montreal, Carolina, would be more than glad to pick him up.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Lancer » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:45 am

mathonwy wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:The good news in all of this is that Santorelli should be cheap to sign next yeR :mrgreen:

Gotta feel for him. He was having a decent season with a chance to sign a 2-3 year deal worth more than the league minimum. Now that's all but toast.


I don't think so. I think what he showcased to the NHL so far was enough to convince most GM's that this guy was real deal. He's absolutely better than a 4th liner (and will continue to be so) and currently is a borderline 2nd/3rd liner.

If the Canucks try to lowball Santo, then I'm thinking some other goal starved team like Phoenix, Nashville, Montreal, Carolina, would be more than glad to pick him up.


+1

Santorelli was a pleasant surprise this season, and may be an option in the top-9 who can play in the top-6 in a pinch (a better option than Hansen IMHO based on current performance) moving forward to next season. But it depends on the price, and whether there are bigger, more physical options on the market at similar price. Another consideration is making room for youngsters to slot in. He beat them out last training camp, but you have to think Gillis will side more in playing a prospect over another year of Santorelli -with all his pluses and minuses.

At least Gillis gave him a chance to extend his NHL career a-la Aaron Rome. I wish the kid well, regardless.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby mathonwy » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:00 am

Lancer wrote:Santorelli was a pleasant surprise this season, and may be an option in the top-9 who can play in the top-6 in a pinch (a better option than Hansen IMHO based on current performance) moving forward to next season. But it depends on the price, and whether there are bigger, more physical options on the market at similar price. Another consideration is making room for youngsters to slot in. He beat them out last training camp, but you have to think Gillis will side more in playing a prospect over another year of Santorelli -with all his pluses and minuses.

At least Gillis gave him a chance to extend his NHL career a-la Aaron Rome. I wish the kid well, regardless.


What surprised me about Santo this season was his board play. Hansen and Higgins have pretty strong board play when cycling with another grinder on the boards. Santo seemed to be able to do that in his own. He's is the best player on the Canuck team at being able to stop on a dime and create enough space for himself to reverse without getting pinned against the boards.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Todd Bersnoozi » Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:00 am

herb wrote:The rumors yesterday were true...Mike Santorelli has had shoulder surgery and is done for the season. Recovery is expected to take 5-6 months. Tough break for Mike and the Canucks.


Yeah, tuff break for Magic Mike. His played way exceeded expectations and I was pretty happy to see him do well. I hope we can re-sign him, but if we can't, I don't mind just going with Dalpe or Schroeds.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Lancer » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:37 am

Botch notes that there was a lengthy post-game meeting including Canuck brass - likely why Sullivan was so late for the post-game presser. Apparently Gillis and Gilman were in there. Botch also suspects that the rumours being fed to Bob McKenzie and LeBrun are a shot across the bow at the players.

http://blogs.theprovince.com/2014/01/31/jets-canucks-van-provies-trade-block-fills-up/

Don't know if this was a motivational moment or whether Gillis is warming the bell and giving the dressing room fair warning, but it's encouraging in a way to see that Gillis is not going to make excuses for this group anymore and appears ready to blow-up this so-called 'covenant' with the core and re-make this roster - albeit likely this offseason.

I guess we'll stay tuned.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Reefer2 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:49 am

Lancer wrote:Botch notes that there was a lengthy post-game meeting including Canuck brass - likely why Sullivan was so late for the post-game presser. Apparently Gillis and Gilman were in there. Botch also suspects that the rumours being fed to Bob McKenzie and LeBrun are a shot across the bow at the players.

http://blogs.theprovince.com/2014/01/31/jets-canucks-van-provies-trade-block-fills-up/

Don't know if this was a motivational moment or whether Gillis is warming the bell and giving the dressing room fair warning, but it's encouraging in a way to see that Gillis is not going to make excuses for this group anymore and appears ready to blow-up this so-called 'covenant' with the core and re-make this roster - albeit likely this offseason.

I guess we'll stay tuned.

lol - I only read part of it before posting

Interesting to see what happens.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby SKYO » Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:10 pm

Nice and finally the head honcho has finally spoken to the team, probably warnings that this type of play is unacceptable, if this type of play continues, changes will be made accordingly in due time.

He should have asked - ok which players will waive his NTC to get a change of scenery. ha
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:13 pm

SKYO wrote:Nice and finally the head honcho has finally spoken to the team, probably warnings that this type of play is unacceptable, if this type of play continues, changes will be made accordingly in due time.

He should have asked - ok which players will waive his NTC to get a change of scenery. ha


It's kind of funny the Boss tearing a strip off of the team he assembled. Look in the mirror Mikey, your hired these players and threw the bank at them and more. Now you are trying to get blood from a stone, your players with their fantastic contracts and NTC's simply are not good enough. Good luck with that.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Lancer » Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:21 pm

RoyalDude wrote:It's kind of funny the Boss tearing a strip off of the team he assembled. Look in the mirror Mikey, your hired these players and threw the bank at them and more. Now you are trying to get blood from a stone, your players with their fantastic contracts and NTC's simply are not good enough. Good luck with that.


He gave them those contracts in good faith based on what they've produced to date. Yes, he threw the bank at a couple of them and so to have them playing the way they have as of late gives him full rights to tear a strip off them if he wanted to. He held up his end and they are not living up to theirs. They are not playing as advertised in many cases. No doubt you will carve him up for not foreseeing what you think everyone else could see in terms of this team's performance but hindsight's 20/20 when you're looking out your own arse.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby SKYO » Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:03 pm

Lancer wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:It's kind of funny the Boss tearing a strip off of the team he assembled. Look in the mirror Mikey, your hired these players and threw the bank at them and more. Now you are trying to get blood from a stone, your players with their fantastic contracts and NTC's simply are not good enough. Good luck with that.


He gave them those contracts in good faith based on what they've produced to date. Yes, he threw the bank at a couple of them and so to have them playing the way they have as of late gives him full rights to tear a strip off them if he wanted to. He held up his end and they are not living up to theirs. They are not playing as advertised in many cases. No doubt you will carve him up for not foreseeing what you think everyone else could see in terms of this team's performance but hindsight's 20/20 when you're looking out your own arse.

Truth.

If the team is gonna shit the bed and they just call it a season till the cap goes up, plus the team NOT being in contention this season, I'd just rather call up Lain and Jensen and play em full time so they can develop much faster.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby mathonwy » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:39 pm

Lancer wrote:Botch notes that there was a lengthy post-game meeting including Canuck brass - likely why Sullivan was so late for the post-game presser. Apparently Gillis and Gilman were in there. Botch also suspects that the rumours being fed to Bob McKenzie and LeBrun are a shot across the bow at the players.

http://blogs.theprovince.com/2014/01/31/jets-canucks-van-provies-trade-block-fills-up/

Don't know if this was a motivational moment or whether Gillis is warming the bell and giving the dressing room fair warning, but it's encouraging in a way to see that Gillis is not going to make excuses for this group anymore and appears ready to blow-up this so-called 'covenant' with the core and re-make this roster - albeit likely this offseason.

I guess we'll stay tuned.


Gillis said:

Teams have altered their methodology in playing in the last 18 months significantly in my opinion.
I think we’ve been slow to react to those changes.
The collapsing with the forwards to the front of the net, the shot blocking, it isn’t often you see a really nice highlight reel goal scored.
It’s more getting the puck to the front of the net and jamming away at it.
I think that more than anything it has resulted in skilled players not really scoring skilled goals a lot of the time .
We have to make adjustments.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby mathonwy » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:54 pm

This is more of shot against Torts than against the players.

The Torts system is physically a very gruelling system. Combine all the shot blocking being done by all of our top 6 players, with using the Sedins on the PK, with Burrows's horrible luck with injuries, with the David Booth's complete lack of skill and with the overuse of all of the top 6 / top 4 players and you have the cluster of all fucks.

In defense of Torts, this team has been goal starved from day 1 of this season. Could we have made it into our current playoff spot if Torts HADN'T ridden our top three players (Sedin Sedin Kes) like a donkey? Or if he hadn't used the Sedins on the PK? Hard to say.

While I agree with Gillis that we're currently playing the wrong style that the team was built for, Gillis needs to be accountable for not bringing in the right personnel to help adapt the team to the new/old methodology he's talking about. It's not new because Anaheim won a cup in 2007 playing big boy hockey.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Topper » Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:29 pm

mathonwy wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:The good news in all of this is that Santorelli should be cheap to sign next yeR :mrgreen:

Gotta feel for him. He was having a decent season with a chance to sign a 2-3 year deal worth more than the league minimum. Now that's all but toast.


I don't think so. I think what he showcased to the NHL so far was enough to convince most GM's that this guy was real deal. He's absolutely better than a 4th liner (and will continue to be so) and currently is a borderline 2nd/3rd liner.

If the Canucks try to lowball Santo, then I'm thinking some other goal starved team like Phoenix, Nashville, Montreal, Carolina, would be more than glad to pick him up.

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