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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:41 am

SKYO wrote:Worse case scenario if Hank can't play vs the Oilers, along with other centers Santorelli and Schroeder still being injured.

Kesler
Richardson
Dalpe
Lain


Not that bad hah. :look:


Injuries. Part of the game. Every team suffers from them. Which is why depth on the farm is the upmost importance. Depth is created through a consistent year in year out dedication to drafting and developing in which prior to last years draft - the Mike Gillis regime in the 6 years here have failed miserably at which is why we are slowly becoming a havenot with each passing year while our peers - Boston, Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim remain competitive and we not

That, and some embarrassingly bad trades that has crippled this team moving forward
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:07 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Injuries. Part of the game. Every team suffers from them. Which is why depth on the farm is the upmost importance. Depth is created through a consistent year in year out dedication to drafting and developing in which prior to last years draft - the Mike Gillis regime in the 6 years here have failed miserably at which is why we are slowly becoming a havenot with each passing year while our peers - Boston, Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim remain competitive and we not

That, and some embarrassingly bad trades that has crippled this team moving forward



You make some decent points in your first paragraph but then follow it up with a truly retarded statement.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Hockey Widow » Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:25 pm

As far as player development we were hampered by our time in Chicago. We had no control over player development or who got played and when. Buying Utica is a step in the right direction in helping us improve our player development.

The development of young talent was and is something MG always preaches about as being one of the keys to a successful franchise. To date he hasn't come close to practicing what he preaches. Tanev is the only young player thus far to be allowed to develop under his watch.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby SKYO » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:12 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Injuries. Part of the game. Every team suffers from them. Which is why depth on the farm is the upmost importance.


back when we were with Chicago Wolves gillis was good at stockpiling the farm, it will take time to make Utica a top tier team.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby SKYO » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:16 pm

And tomorrow's monday hearing with John Tortorella should be interesting, I'd say he will get a Patrick Roy $10K fine.

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NEW YORK -- The National Hockey League has fined Colorado Avalanche coach Patrick Roy $10,000 for his actions at the end of NHL Game No. 6 against the Anaheim Ducks in Denver on Wednesday, Oct. 2.

"Roy's actions at the conclusion of the game were irresponsible," said NHL Senior Executive Vice President of Hockey Operations Colin Campbell. "One of the responsibilities of an NHL coach is to help defuse volatile situations on the bench."

The fine money goes to the NHL Foundation.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Meds » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:30 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Injuries. Part of the game. Every team suffers from them. Which is why depth on the farm is the upmost importance. Depth is created through a consistent year in year out dedication to drafting and developing in which prior to last years draft - the Mike Gillis regime in the 6 years here have failed miserably at which is why we are slowly becoming a havenot with each passing year while our peers - Boston, Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim remain competitive and we not

That, and some embarrassingly bad trades that has crippled this team moving forward



You make some decent points in your first paragraph but then follow it up with a truly retarded statement.


I'm really confused by this opinion that Gillis has made some embarassingly bad trades.

He has made some moves that just haven't worked out, but at the time, and on paper, they looked to be really good for the team.

How was anyone to know that David Booth was going to decline so sharply? I remember the shit being slung by RD before the end of Booth's first season with us.....but the reality was that his PPG numbers were on par with his all but one season of his numbers in Florida. It wasn't until last season and this season that we really saw him nose dive, and until recently he had to be given the benefit of the doubt because of his up and down injury history.

Pahlsson was a good trade on paper, and also fit the bill that Gillis' bench boss (AV) was crying about not having. Nobody saw that disaster coming.

Derek Roy was a smart move. We were always lamenting about how we didn't have that forward to round out the top 6. Well Roy shows up and should have been that guy, Vigneault should have moved Kes to the wing like Torts did. Instead he sticks Roy in a third line role. Results? Go figure.

Most of his UFA signings have been excellent all things considered.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Meds » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:38 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:As far as player development we were hampered by our time in Chicago. We had no control over player development or who got played and when. Buying Utica is a step in the right direction in helping us improve our player development.

The development of young talent was and is something MG always preaches about as being one of the keys to a successful franchise. To date he hasn't come close to practicing what he preaches. Tanev is the only young player thus far to be allowed to develop under his watch.


The player development mantra that he has spouted off about from his GM pulpit since coming here is one of the reasons I do actually question his decision making process at times. Vigneault was a pretty brutal coach in terms of developing young players at the NHL level, and his decision making in regards to them often seemed to hinder their development more than anything. We had a few guys come along under his watch, but most of them were closing in on their mid-twenties already. Obviously Gillis' hands were somewhat tied as you look retarded for firing a coach who is showing a fairly steady improvement in the standings and then wins back-to-back President Trophies and a trip to game 7 of the finals. All the same. Gillis should have axed Vigneault after going out in 5 to the Kings in 2012. However, I'm not sure who we would have ended up with for a coach at that point, and I'm quite impressed with the philosophy that Torts brings to this team.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby arttk » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:59 pm

Meds wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:As far as player development we were hampered by our time in Chicago. We had no control over player development or who got played and when. Buying Utica is a step in the right direction in helping us improve our player development.

The development of young talent was and is something MG always preaches about as being one of the keys to a successful franchise. To date he hasn't come close to practicing what he preaches. Tanev is the only young player thus far to be allowed to develop under his watch.


The player development mantra that he has spouted off about from his GM pulpit since coming here is one of the reasons I do actually question his decision making process at times. Vigneault was a pretty brutal coach in terms of developing young players at the NHL level, and his decision making in regards to them often seemed to hinder their development more than anything. We had a few guys come along under his watch, but most of them were closing in on their mid-twenties already. Obviously Gillis' hands were somewhat tied as you look retarded for firing a coach who is showing a fairly steady improvement in the standings and then wins back-to-back President Trophies and a trip to game 7 of the finals. All the same. Gillis should have axed Vigneault after going out in 5 to the Kings in 2012. However, I'm not sure who we would have ended up with for a coach at that point, and I'm quite impressed with the philosophy that Torts brings to this team.


I think he didn't fire AV for 2 reasons.

1) Just had a president trophy that season and Daniel and Kesler were hurt. Add to that, the Kings went on and killed everybody else. Based on that, he probably wanted to give AV one more kick at the can.

2) Nobody was really available to replace AV. Seems like MG is one of the type of people who always have a list of people as backup plan and if there aren't anyone available that could replace AV, why fire him?

Also looking at all the years so far, MG doesn't look like the type to micromanage. He looks likes he is the modern manager where he allows them the freedom to do things however they want as long as there are results. Hence that's why it seemed like he never really interfered much with how AV managed his players ( mismanaged some prospects, Demitra and etc ...).
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby RoyalDude » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:11 am

Meds wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:As far as player development we were hampered by our time in Chicago. We had no control over player development or who got played and when. Buying Utica is a step in the right direction in helping us improve our player development.

The development of young talent was and is something MG always preaches about as being one of the keys to a successful franchise. To date he hasn't come close to practicing what he preaches. Tanev is the only young player thus far to be allowed to develop under his watch.


The player development mantra that he has spouted off about from his GM pulpit since coming here is one of the reasons I do actually question his decision making process at times. Vigneault was a pretty brutal coach in terms of developing young players at the NHL level, and his decision making in regards to them often seemed to hinder their development more than anything. We had a few guys come along under his watch, but most of them were closing in on their mid-twenties already. Obviously Gillis' hands were somewhat tied as you look retarded for firing a coach who is showing a fairly steady improvement in the standings and then wins back-to-back President Trophies and a trip to game 7 of the finals. All the same. Gillis should have axed Vigneault after going out in 5 to the Kings in 2012. However, I'm not sure who we would have ended up with for a coach at that point, and I'm quite impressed with the philosophy that Torts brings to this team.


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Right up their with Meds blaming all the ills of the world on Edler

Blaming AV for the Gillis regimes poor drafting and developing. LMAO. Hmm, why stop there? We should blame Torts as well cause duh yeah...he has, well, the same amount of Gillis poorly treated prospects by the coaches playing here as well. ZERO!

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby BurningBeard » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:35 am

SKYO wrote:And tomorrow's monday hearing with John Tortorella should be interesting, I'd say he will get a Patrick Roy $10K fine.

He's going to get suspended. Hartley will get the $10K fine.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Arachnid » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:10 pm

BurningBeard wrote:
SKYO wrote:And tomorrow's monday hearing with John Tortorella should be interesting, I'd say he will get a Patrick Roy $10K fine.

He's going to get suspended. Hartley will get the $10K fine.


Sounds aboot right...he shoulda timed it better so he could watch the Olympics :)
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby SKYO » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:57 pm

Arachnid wrote:
BurningBeard wrote:He's going to get suspended. Hartley will get the $10K fine.


Sounds aboot right...he shoulda timed it better so he could watch the Olympics :)


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almost noon still waiting.. :?

Hartley taking a beating about his tactics and cowardliness from everyone on the web hah.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby SKYO » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:50 pm

-Henrik Sedin's ironman streak ends at 679 games.

-Canucks players and nhl league fans sans calgary respecting Torts fierce protection and dedication to the team.

-Schroeder and Stanton looking like they'll play in Edmonton.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Hockey Widow » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:17 pm

SKYO wrote:-Henrik Sedin's ironman streak ends at 679 games.

-Canucks players and nhl league fans sans calgary respecting Torts fierce protection and dedication to the team.

-Schroeder and Stanton looking like they'll play in Edmonton.


The good news bad news post. Too bad for Hank but not a surprise. He has two weeks to get ready for the Olympics but if he can't go he will get a further two weeks to recover. If it had to happen the timing is good.

Great timing to get JS back, we need help at centre with Hank and Santorelli both out. I assume Lain will dress as well? It will undoubtably take JS time to get into game shape and in suspect that with the Hank injury this took away the ability the Canucks had to give JS a few days of conditioning.

Great news that Stanton is ready, or near ready, to return.

Let's hope these returning players get up to speed quickly and that Hank and Santorrelli are both ready, or close to ready, after the Olympics, with no more injuries please.

And ya, for the most part everyone sees through Hartley and know exactly what he did. With his own players and ex-players telling it like it is it is hard for him to hide from the truth. At the same time there is universal condemnation for Torts on his locker room scrum, and rightly so. I think most people see this correctly, Hartley with a fine and Torts with a suspension and or fine.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby herb » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:29 pm

With Hank so banged up I have to imagine he won't be going to Sochi. His loyalty comes first to the Canucks, and he has already won an Olympic gold. He doesn't have much else to prove there.

Good to hear that Schroeder and Stanton are back. Kind of a relief, really. They won't compensate for Hank, but I'll be interested to see how Schroeder does. He should get lots of ice time, at the very least!

Weber has been OK, but I assume he'll be coming out of the lineup, or maybe moved to forward.

I have to imagine Lain will play after Saturday's fiasco. The Canucks can't do that to the kid after his folks come in to watch him play his first game which only lasts two seconds. Hopefully the Canucks are flying his folks to Edmonton for Tuesday's game.

Putting my rose coloured glasses on here for a minute, but maybe losing Hank will be a good thing for Daniel. He has been off all year, and maybe this will give him a bit of urgency to put this team on his back and win us some damn games. Sometimes adversity brings out the best in people.
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