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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:32 pm

Gesus mongoloid garden in full bloom. Messier and Mogilny are to blame for Pat Quinn driving the team into the ground. We should have given Ehrhoff a ten year contract. We can't build a big physical team with the Sedins here. We should have traded Schneider for ROR , Kane or Johansen ( who two months ago was describèd as a slow lumbering player by the same poster) . Keep on keepin on Bountiful Jr
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Diehard1 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:37 pm

Arachnid wrote:
Diehard1 wrote:
ClamRussel wrote:
This is still a playoff team and they should make it rather easily given their upcoming schedule. They suck balls if they were Edmonton, Calgary, Florida or Buffalo, not because they are a middle of the road team.


Not sure how you can lump the entire 90s into the suck. I happen to have loved the first half of that decade for this team. It was a coming of age. Linden entered the 90s w/ his 3rd season into the league at 20yrs of age; Quinn engineered the rebuilding of this team w/ savvy deals like the Butcher/Quinn trade which landed Courntall, Ronning, Momesso & Dirk among other deals; they landed their first bonafide superstar in Bure shortly after, they had several dominant seasons including a magical run to the finals, their first 50 goals scorer & major trophy winners. It all unfolded w/ the sale of the team to McCaw who fucked them at every turn...I suppose the beginning of the end was the handing of the keys to Arthur however (building a new team w/o the means to do so, bringing in the NBA to help pay for it and subsequently losing control of the franchise)...which led to the Gretzky snub and the Messier-spite-signing and subsequent Quinn firing...McCaw+Messier=3 solid seasons of shit. Following that it was an upwards trajectory towards more solid seasons w/ the Westcoast Express. They completely fell short of playoff expectations for sure but that era certainly didn't suck.

So I'd go as far as to say w/ 7 out 10 seasons they didn't suck. A roller coaster ride for sure but the 90s were alright in my books. I too lived through the Canucks in the 80s so I feel your pain there.


You are correct, the early 90's were solid. Winning the division, Bure, McLean - my favourite player for a couple of seasons was actually Paul Reinhart after he came over from the Flames. It all went downhill when Mogilny and Messier came in, the team played way worse than they should have and were god awful for the last few years of the decade when they picked Allen 4th overall and then the twins. I still remember guys like Josh Holden and Ryan Bonni as top prospects. I remember Jan Hlavac as the supposed saviour of the second line. I also remember how when Ohlund came over he looked head and shoulders better than any other dman we had at the time. Sad years before the Naslund era started.

Regardless, young Nuck fans have had 12 or so good years of a competitive team, they don't remember the bad times. This team has issues, no question, but they do not suck shit. They are an average to above average team in a brutal division. Very good goalies, very good D, too thin up front. They either need a guy like Kassian to step up and score 20 to 25, or they need to pick up somebody who can.


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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Diehard1 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:41 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:Gesus mongoloid garden in full bloom. Messier and Mogilny are to blame for Pat Quinn driving the team into the ground. We should have given Ehrhoff a ten year contract. We can't build a big physical team with the Sedins here. We should have traded Schneider for ROR , Kane or Johansen ( who two months ago was describèd as a slow lumbering player by the same poster) . Keep on keepin on Bountiful Jr


Messier and Mogilny came here as superstars, and aside from one Mogilny season they played like crap for years. They were decent pickups at the time but both ended up looking like spoiled children. Didn't help that Bure asked out and the D was shown to be crap either, and yep all of these were issues Quinn created. Not sure if you were suggesting I didn't say Quinn created these problems.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby ClamRussel » Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:52 pm

Diehard1 wrote:
Arachnid wrote:
ClamRussel wrote:This is still a playoff team and they should make it rather easily given their upcoming schedule. They suck balls if they were Edmonton, Calgary, Florida or Buffalo, not because they are a middle of the road team.


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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby SKYO » Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:10 am

Worse case scenario if Hank can't play vs the Oilers, along with other centers Santorelli and Schroeder still being injured.

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Not that bad hah. :look:
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:41 am

SKYO wrote:Worse case scenario if Hank can't play vs the Oilers, along with other centers Santorelli and Schroeder still being injured.

Kesler
Richardson
Dalpe
Lain


Not that bad hah. :look:


Injuries. Part of the game. Every team suffers from them. Which is why depth on the farm is the upmost importance. Depth is created through a consistent year in year out dedication to drafting and developing in which prior to last years draft - the Mike Gillis regime in the 6 years here have failed miserably at which is why we are slowly becoming a havenot with each passing year while our peers - Boston, Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim remain competitive and we not

That, and some embarrassingly bad trades that has crippled this team moving forward
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:07 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Injuries. Part of the game. Every team suffers from them. Which is why depth on the farm is the upmost importance. Depth is created through a consistent year in year out dedication to drafting and developing in which prior to last years draft - the Mike Gillis regime in the 6 years here have failed miserably at which is why we are slowly becoming a havenot with each passing year while our peers - Boston, Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim remain competitive and we not

That, and some embarrassingly bad trades that has crippled this team moving forward



You make some decent points in your first paragraph but then follow it up with a truly retarded statement.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Hockey Widow » Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:25 pm

As far as player development we were hampered by our time in Chicago. We had no control over player development or who got played and when. Buying Utica is a step in the right direction in helping us improve our player development.

The development of young talent was and is something MG always preaches about as being one of the keys to a successful franchise. To date he hasn't come close to practicing what he preaches. Tanev is the only young player thus far to be allowed to develop under his watch.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby SKYO » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:12 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Injuries. Part of the game. Every team suffers from them. Which is why depth on the farm is the upmost importance.


back when we were with Chicago Wolves gillis was good at stockpiling the farm, it will take time to make Utica a top tier team.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby SKYO » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:16 pm

And tomorrow's monday hearing with John Tortorella should be interesting, I'd say he will get a Patrick Roy $10K fine.

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NEW YORK -- The National Hockey League has fined Colorado Avalanche coach Patrick Roy $10,000 for his actions at the end of NHL Game No. 6 against the Anaheim Ducks in Denver on Wednesday, Oct. 2.

"Roy's actions at the conclusion of the game were irresponsible," said NHL Senior Executive Vice President of Hockey Operations Colin Campbell. "One of the responsibilities of an NHL coach is to help defuse volatile situations on the bench."

The fine money goes to the NHL Foundation.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Meds » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:30 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Injuries. Part of the game. Every team suffers from them. Which is why depth on the farm is the upmost importance. Depth is created through a consistent year in year out dedication to drafting and developing in which prior to last years draft - the Mike Gillis regime in the 6 years here have failed miserably at which is why we are slowly becoming a havenot with each passing year while our peers - Boston, Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim remain competitive and we not

That, and some embarrassingly bad trades that has crippled this team moving forward



You make some decent points in your first paragraph but then follow it up with a truly retarded statement.


I'm really confused by this opinion that Gillis has made some embarassingly bad trades.

He has made some moves that just haven't worked out, but at the time, and on paper, they looked to be really good for the team.

How was anyone to know that David Booth was going to decline so sharply? I remember the shit being slung by RD before the end of Booth's first season with us.....but the reality was that his PPG numbers were on par with his all but one season of his numbers in Florida. It wasn't until last season and this season that we really saw him nose dive, and until recently he had to be given the benefit of the doubt because of his up and down injury history.

Pahlsson was a good trade on paper, and also fit the bill that Gillis' bench boss (AV) was crying about not having. Nobody saw that disaster coming.

Derek Roy was a smart move. We were always lamenting about how we didn't have that forward to round out the top 6. Well Roy shows up and should have been that guy, Vigneault should have moved Kes to the wing like Torts did. Instead he sticks Roy in a third line role. Results? Go figure.

Most of his UFA signings have been excellent all things considered.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Meds » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:38 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:As far as player development we were hampered by our time in Chicago. We had no control over player development or who got played and when. Buying Utica is a step in the right direction in helping us improve our player development.

The development of young talent was and is something MG always preaches about as being one of the keys to a successful franchise. To date he hasn't come close to practicing what he preaches. Tanev is the only young player thus far to be allowed to develop under his watch.


The player development mantra that he has spouted off about from his GM pulpit since coming here is one of the reasons I do actually question his decision making process at times. Vigneault was a pretty brutal coach in terms of developing young players at the NHL level, and his decision making in regards to them often seemed to hinder their development more than anything. We had a few guys come along under his watch, but most of them were closing in on their mid-twenties already. Obviously Gillis' hands were somewhat tied as you look retarded for firing a coach who is showing a fairly steady improvement in the standings and then wins back-to-back President Trophies and a trip to game 7 of the finals. All the same. Gillis should have axed Vigneault after going out in 5 to the Kings in 2012. However, I'm not sure who we would have ended up with for a coach at that point, and I'm quite impressed with the philosophy that Torts brings to this team.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby arttk » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:59 pm

Meds wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:As far as player development we were hampered by our time in Chicago. We had no control over player development or who got played and when. Buying Utica is a step in the right direction in helping us improve our player development.

The development of young talent was and is something MG always preaches about as being one of the keys to a successful franchise. To date he hasn't come close to practicing what he preaches. Tanev is the only young player thus far to be allowed to develop under his watch.


The player development mantra that he has spouted off about from his GM pulpit since coming here is one of the reasons I do actually question his decision making process at times. Vigneault was a pretty brutal coach in terms of developing young players at the NHL level, and his decision making in regards to them often seemed to hinder their development more than anything. We had a few guys come along under his watch, but most of them were closing in on their mid-twenties already. Obviously Gillis' hands were somewhat tied as you look retarded for firing a coach who is showing a fairly steady improvement in the standings and then wins back-to-back President Trophies and a trip to game 7 of the finals. All the same. Gillis should have axed Vigneault after going out in 5 to the Kings in 2012. However, I'm not sure who we would have ended up with for a coach at that point, and I'm quite impressed with the philosophy that Torts brings to this team.


I think he didn't fire AV for 2 reasons.

1) Just had a president trophy that season and Daniel and Kesler were hurt. Add to that, the Kings went on and killed everybody else. Based on that, he probably wanted to give AV one more kick at the can.

2) Nobody was really available to replace AV. Seems like MG is one of the type of people who always have a list of people as backup plan and if there aren't anyone available that could replace AV, why fire him?

Also looking at all the years so far, MG doesn't look like the type to micromanage. He looks likes he is the modern manager where he allows them the freedom to do things however they want as long as there are results. Hence that's why it seemed like he never really interfered much with how AV managed his players ( mismanaged some prospects, Demitra and etc ...).
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby RoyalDude » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:11 am

Meds wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:As far as player development we were hampered by our time in Chicago. We had no control over player development or who got played and when. Buying Utica is a step in the right direction in helping us improve our player development.

The development of young talent was and is something MG always preaches about as being one of the keys to a successful franchise. To date he hasn't come close to practicing what he preaches. Tanev is the only young player thus far to be allowed to develop under his watch.


The player development mantra that he has spouted off about from his GM pulpit since coming here is one of the reasons I do actually question his decision making process at times. Vigneault was a pretty brutal coach in terms of developing young players at the NHL level, and his decision making in regards to them often seemed to hinder their development more than anything. We had a few guys come along under his watch, but most of them were closing in on their mid-twenties already. Obviously Gillis' hands were somewhat tied as you look retarded for firing a coach who is showing a fairly steady improvement in the standings and then wins back-to-back President Trophies and a trip to game 7 of the finals. All the same. Gillis should have axed Vigneault after going out in 5 to the Kings in 2012. However, I'm not sure who we would have ended up with for a coach at that point, and I'm quite impressed with the philosophy that Torts brings to this team.


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Right up their with Meds blaming all the ills of the world on Edler

Blaming AV for the Gillis regimes poor drafting and developing. LMAO. Hmm, why stop there? We should blame Torts as well cause duh yeah...he has, well, the same amount of Gillis poorly treated prospects by the coaches playing here as well. ZERO!

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby BurningBeard » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:35 am

SKYO wrote:And tomorrow's monday hearing with John Tortorella should be interesting, I'd say he will get a Patrick Roy $10K fine.

He's going to get suspended. Hartley will get the $10K fine.
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