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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby herb » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:14 pm

Arachnid wrote:Yeah, we aren't the favourite to win the Cup but at least we have shot at it still.

Fack'n spoiled Canuck fans :evil:

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Yeah, we won't be winning the President's Trophy every year, but we should be a playoff team this year, and who knows, we might even be able to fandangle home ice advantage in the first round.

It sure is a nice run we have been on since '08 or so. We still need to cap it off though...
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby herb » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:21 pm

Cornuck wrote:Looks like the cap's going up to about 71mil.

"We're looking at a cap in the $71 million range as an estimate," Commissioner Buttman said. "It's subject to change. It's very preliminary."

So we another 7mil, buy out Booth for another 4, and with Santorelli the only UFA, we should be able to sign a decent player or two. (UFA List)


Barring a major drop off, I think you almost have to re-sign Santorelli. As a home town boy, and with Vancouver basically giving him his last shot at playing in the NHL, I bet he’d be willing to play ball.

Tanev will need a substantial raise. Kassian may be due a small raise.

Heck, we will easily afford to keep Booth, should he show that he will be worth keeping around, as we will have space once Santorelli, Tanev and Kassian are re-signed and the roster is filled out.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby The Brown Knight » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:30 pm

Thinking out loud here:

Do you think Thornton or Marleau would be willing to sign here once their contracts expire?

(Assuming that San Jose falls short come playoff time, and decides to go in a different direction).

Perhaps from the perspective of Thornton or Marleau, it would be fitting revenge for either one of them if San Jose snubs them in the off-season.

Furthermore, both men have had success in Vancouver when we won the 2010 Olympic Gold.

Obviously, neither Thornton nor Marleau are at an ideal age, but either one of those guys would be a great fit.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby SKYO » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:24 pm

herb wrote:
Cornuck wrote:Looks like the cap's going up to about 71mil.

"We're looking at a cap in the $71 million range as an estimate," Commissioner Buttman said. "It's subject to change. It's very preliminary."

So we another 7mil, buy out Booth for another 4, and with Santorelli the only UFA, we should be able to sign a decent player or two. (UFA List)


Barring a major drop off, I think you almost have to re-sign Santorelli. As a home town boy, and with Vancouver basically giving him his last shot at playing in the NHL, I bet he’d be willing to play ball.

Tanev will need a substantial raise. Kassian may be due a small raise.



Agreed on Santos, I understand it's a business, but Santos should give the Canucks an affordable contract for a coupla years ($1.5-$1.75M per)to prove his worth and then he can go for the big bucks after that.

Given how hardcore Tanev negotiated his first contract with very little leverage, gotta believe he'll play hardball again this offseason, especially with his new arbitration rights.
One of the reason's why I want to trade him for a forward, but I digress.

Kassian will sign short term contract on the cheap, where he'll still be a RFA after that deal is done.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby mathonwy » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:25 pm

The Brown Knight wrote:Thinking out loud here:
Do you think Thornton or Marleau would be willing to sign here once their contracts expire?
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No.

The only reason players seem to come to Vancouver are

a) They play on the Panthers or
b) They have some kind of BC connection

Aside from that, I don't think Vancouver is all that hot of a destination for UFA's. The city is nice enough but we're not a Stanley Cup winning team. We got close and then we got shut out and then we rioted.

Course, with enough money, anything's possible but Thornton and Marleau have made more than enough bank in their careers. Vancouver is not their best chance at a SC. Until we actually win a cup on our own merit (Gillis's merit), we will never be viewed as having a culture of winning.

Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Hamhuis, Edler, Bieksa, Luo. Gold medals have been won by a few but a gold medal is no substitution to that of a SC.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Island Nucklehead » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:37 pm

The Brown Knight wrote:Thinking out loud here:

Do you think Thornton or Marleau would be willing to sign here once their contracts expire?

(Assuming that San Jose falls short come playoff time, and decides to go in a different direction).

Perhaps from the perspective of Thornton or Marleau, it would be fitting revenge for either one of them if San Jose snubs them in the off-season.

Furthermore, both men have had success in Vancouver when we won the 2010 Olympic Gold.

Obviously, neither Thornton nor Marleau are at an ideal age, but either one of those guys would be a great fit.


San Jose has 16 players signed next season, and will have about $25M to fill out their roster. The Canucks, as of today, only have $10M with 16 players signed. I think they stay in San Jose at around $6M per.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby The Brown Knight » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:40 pm

mathonwy wrote: We got close and then we got shut out and then we rioted.


And then we defeated Boston on Jan 7 2012 and won another Presidents' Trophy so what's your point? :|

Guys like Mark Messier and Mats Sundin signed in Vancouver when the Canucks weren't considered cream of the crop, and so why couldn't it happen again?

Think about it from the perspective of the athlete's ego:

"I go into a city where the city has never seen their team win a cup. The team is pretty good, but is a key piece away from being considered great. What if I was that key piece?"


And again - that 2010 Olympics served as the greatest moment in life for many of those Gold winning Canadians.......and the game was played and won in Vancouver. That, my Hindu friend, is what's called 'nostalgia'.

There's a multitude of reasons why a superstar player would choose to sign in Vancouver.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Reefer2 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:40 pm

Cornuck wrote:Looks like the cap's going up to about 71mil.

"We're looking at a cap in the $71 million range as an estimate," Commissioner Buttman said. "It's subject to change. It's very preliminary."

So we another 7mil, buy out Booth for another 4, and with Santorelli the only UFA, we should be able to sign a decent player or two. (UFA List)


Probably 70 - 80% of the UFA listed will resign with their teams. (no data to back this up, just pulled it out of the air)

Of that who will MG sign that will have an impact on the team?

It is hard to base this up past history as the cap was what it was and the team had no cap space to spend but if I was a betting man I would say that I give it an e4 that anyone of known value will be signed.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby The Brown Knight » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:49 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:San Jose has 16 players signed next season, and will have about $25M to fill out their roster. The Canucks, as of today, only have $10M with 16 players signed. I think they stay in San Jose at around $6M per.


True, but buying out Booth will give us more room obviously.

If San Jose falls again in the playoffs, I'm just not sure if we'll see Thornton and Marleau taking hometown discounts. As was the case with Getzlaf and Perry, I think they'll want full market value.......and I think that's where we can come in. If we buyout Booth and consider moving a guy like Burrows for picks, we should have the necessary space.

Horvat, Shinkaruk, and Gaunce could all be NHL ready next year with entry-level contracts.......which could give us even more room to play with.

If San Jose uncerimoniously dumps one of Thornton or Marleau, what better way to stick it to their old club by signing with a rival team? What better way to create nostalgia than to win a Stanley Cup in the same city where you won your Olympic Gold?
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Canuck-One » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:50 pm

UFA: Alberts, Santorelli

RFA: Weise, Kassian, JS, Dalpe, Welsh, Tanev, Weber

Santorelli deserves a raise and an extension. Weise has proven to be a versatile 3rd and 4th liner so keep him. Explore a trade for Kassian, but, if there are no takers for what we would want in return, re-sign him. Tanev should be taken to binding arbitration and kept, no more drama. Booth has done nothing with the chances he has been given. If there isn't a marked improvement by seasons end, trade or buy him out. Either way get his salary off of the books. Let the rest go. JS can't help as he is always hurt. Perhaps he is too small to play against some of the giants in this league.

Gillis has by fluke or design left us in a good position to go after fresh blood next year. My only concern is who might be available and who might want to come here. Does anyone know who is coming up for UFA or even a potential RFA we might make an offer to.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Hockey Widow » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:16 pm

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Hockey Widow » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:27 pm

I doubt it was by accident MG put us in this position!

Anyway, depending upon how this season ends for us there maybe a lot of room for change. With respect to FA, the new CBA gives the advantage to the existing team. For key players that one extra year of earning guaranteed big money is mighty tempting.

We won't have any problem attracting FA but it will come down to if we are willing to pay over the new team benchmark of 7 million per. I hope he doesn't go after a RFA as I don't want to be without all those draft picks.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby sagebrush » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:27 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:
sagebrush wrote:Meanwhile...
NHL SALARY CAP PROJECTED TO RISE TO $71.1M IN 2014-15

Rich teams at the upper cap limit can get better. Cheap, low cap teams may want (more) players with a higher contract cap than salary.

GCG

And MG has his work cut out getting all our FA re-signed before he can go on a spending spree. He has a ton of players to re-up, needing raises, except one.

UFA: Alberts, Santorelli

RFA: Weise, Kassian, JS, Dalpe, Welsh, Tanev, Weber


See what I mean, he will be in cap hell with that line up of players to get re upped. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

That's what the boys at CP would have us believe.

In total those players eat up between 8-9 million, add that to a cap increase of 6 million and we have a lot of money to re-sign the guys we want to, let the others walk and get some young guns in the line up. If we buy out or trade Booth, perhaps to a team that needs to get to the new, higher cap floor, we free up some more coin.

MG has set us up to go into the off season with a lot of coin to spend, needing to only fill a few holes, big ones, but with the cap to do it. Now who is UFA next season that we can land?

Things are looking up for the Canucks all right.

The spread between the haves & have-nots is about to increase.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Topper » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:54 pm

We all knew when the new CBA was signed that this year would be cap hell and resigned ourselves to a challenging season knowing the cap would increase the following year. I didn't think it would increase to the extent just announced as I understood what was happening with the Canuck buck in relation to our peso friends south of 49.

But next years cap is based on this years revenue, next years revenue will suffer with the exchange rate but that could be offset by Roger's $450 million ($150 upfront, ~$300 in first annual payment).
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Boston Canucker » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:50 am

herb wrote:
Arachnid wrote:Yeah, we aren't the favourite to win the Cup but at least we have shot at it still.

Fack'n spoiled Canuck fans :evil:

Go Canucks!


Yeah, we won't be winning the President's Trophy every year, but we should be a playoff team this year, and who knows, we might even be able to fandangle home ice advantage in the first round.

It sure is a nice run we have been on since '08 or so. We still need to cap it off though...


I have to say, from afar watching the games on center ice, I'm actually enjoying this season much more than the past two post-2011 run seasons. The past two years just felt like we were biding time until the playoffs to get to games with some tension, meaning (and as we learned, total disappointment). At times, I wondered why I even bothered to watch the last couple years, and often didn't. Now, the games actually matter in December, imagine that!, and the team's style under Torts is worth watching, when they are pushing the play as he wants them too. If we get in, I think we will, it's likely in the 6-8 range area, so be it, if young guys like Lack, Tanev, Stanton etc get playing time, keep improving, with Horvat/Shinkaruk on the horizon, I can live with that as a transition year or two in which the team is still in the mix, if not a favorite.

On the salary cap, unless he "flips the switch" I don't see how Booth avoids a buyout. That 4 mill in space plus the space gained from the cap going up gives them some nice room to work with. I keep hoping Booth will get it going (every time I see a cut move to the net like against the Canes for example, hope rears its ugly head), but it seems highly doubtful...
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