Canucks News and Notes

Welcome to the main forum of our site. Anything and everything to do with the Vancouver Canucks is dicussed and debated here.

Moderator: Referees

Locked
User avatar
Strangelove
Moderator & MVP
Moderator & MVP
Posts: 17606
Joined: Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:13 pm
Location: Lake Vostok

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Strangelove » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:39 pm

Rumsfeld wrote: Burrows is not an elite winger, and I think you know that Doc. He plays with the two best passers in the Conference and is a terrific defensive player who scores big goals.... but he really isn't that offensively talented and he isn't tough and the refs fucking hate him.
Daniel was supposed to be the best goal-scorer when that line was put together

... yet Burrows has consistently outscored Daniel at even strength.

As a matter of fact Burrows is 4th among elite scoring wingers in that category over the past 3 seasons:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play-in ... r_by=goals

(Stamkos is a centre).

BTW do you see anyone else in that top 30 besides Burrows and Dupuis (23rd) who play on the #1PK unit?

Didn't think so! :thumbs:

And Alex is VERY tough..... ummm pound-for-pound. :look:

The refs hate him because he's an asshole. :thumbs:

Burrows never complains no matter how much an idiot coach makes him switch lines/play centre/etc.

You just don't trade a guy like Burrows, you just don't...
____
GO CANUCKS GO!!!

User avatar
Strangelove
Moderator & MVP
Moderator & MVP
Posts: 17606
Joined: Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:13 pm
Location: Lake Vostok

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Strangelove » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:42 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote: The return on a trade or 2 involving Kesler/Burrows/Bieksa could be massive if Gillis keeps his cards close to his chest.
OMG, just the other day I saw a guy at Calpuck suggesting the Canucks trade Kesler and Burrows.


















:lol:
____
GO CANUCKS GO!!!

User avatar
Strangelove
Moderator & MVP
Moderator & MVP
Posts: 17606
Joined: Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:13 pm
Location: Lake Vostok

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Strangelove » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:50 pm

Rumsfeld wrote: So Doc, who WOULD you trade?
This summer I've suggested trading Edler, Bieksa, Booth, high draft picks, and possibly Tanev.

Obviously we'd need a dee coming back if we traded one of those dee (a RHS if it's Bieksa/Tanev).

And this is with an asshole-only shopping list in hand.

Yes, we'd hafta sweeten the pot if we traded Booth, but the idea was to create cap-space for another move.

I also suggested (while the buyout window was open) to take back a bad contract along with a top player.

But yeah, maybe we do that next year....
____
GO CANUCKS GO!!!

User avatar
Rumsfeld
CC Legend
Posts: 4171
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:48 pm
Location: Raqqa

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Rumsfeld » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:07 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Rumsfeld wrote: So Doc, who WOULD you trade?
This summer I've suggested trading Edler, Bieksa, Booth, high draft picks, and possibly Tanev.

Obviously we'd need a dee coming back if we traded one of those dee (a RHS if it's Bieksa/Tanev).

And this is with an asshole-only shopping list in hand.

Yes, we'd hafta sweeten the pot if we traded Booth, but the idea was to create cap-space for another move.

I also suggested (while the buyout window was open) to take back a bad contract along with a top player.

But yeah, maybe we do that next year....
If you trade Bieksa and especially Edler, you'd need a top-4 D coming back.

Booth is worth exactly nothing right now.

So none of those suggestions would improve our top six, which is where we need improvement the most IMO. And if you trade high picks (a big mistake IMO, considering a rebuild is probably right around the corner), you'd still need to shed serious salary if you get a top forward in return.

So yeah, we need to move a top forward if we want to get bigger and better up front, and out of all our top forwards (Sedins, Kesler, Burr) Burrows seems like the most obvious choice.

Part of being a good GM is knowing when to pull the plug on guys, if you wait 'till they seriously decline you get nothing back and you're stuck with them.*

Our top six has totally sucked the last two-and-a-half playoffs, I'm pretty surprised you'd have a problem with some big changes.




*see Luongo, Roberto
Chairman of the Jim Benning Appreciation Society

User avatar
Strangelove
Moderator & MVP
Moderator & MVP
Posts: 17606
Joined: Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:13 pm
Location: Lake Vostok

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Strangelove » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:18 pm

Rumsfeld wrote: If you trade Bieksa and especially Edler, you'd need a top-4 D coming back.
Not if you thought Tanev could handle top-4 minutes (and to a lesser extent thought Corrado is NHL-ready).

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Garrison - Tanev
ASSHOLE - Corrado
Alberts/Fistric/Whomever - Weber

ASSHOLE would be a stay-at-home shutdown tweener who could handle some top-4 icetime when needed.

Corrado would see some PP icetime.

Yeah, so a tweener would come cheeper in a trade than an established top-4 guy.

Hell it could even be a YOUNG tweener asshole to satisfy YOUR youth-movement cravings. :wink:
Rumsfeld wrote: Booth is worth exactly nothing right now.
Like I say, Booth is supposed to be 100% by training camp.

Like I say, Booth is tradable if we throw in a pick/retain some salary.

See, if we're gonna bring in a top 6 winger, someone's gotta go to create room.

You say Burrows, I say Booth.

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian/Higgins/Hansen
NEW GUY - Kesler - Burrows

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian/Higgins/Hansen
Booth - Kesler - NEW GUY

OBVIOUSLY Burrows is a WAY better forward than Booth.

Wot say we keep him then EH WOT?

Ummmmm did you want to ADD to the top-6.... or not? :mex:
Rumsfeld wrote: (trading high picks is) a big mistake IMO, considering a rebuild is probably right around the corner
Well see, that's where you're wrong. Image
Rumsfeld wrote: Part of being a good GM is knowing when to pull the plug on guys
... and part of being a good GM is knowing NOT to trade your heart & soul forward when a Cup is within reach.

So yeah, coupla separate deals but basically...

Edler/Bieksa + Booth + 1st-rounder out.

Elite scoring winger + ASSHOLE in.

Or just DROP THE FRICKEN PUCK and pray both Kassian and Booth have career years. :thumbs:
Last edited by Strangelove on Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
____
GO CANUCKS GO!!!

User avatar
5thhorseman
CC Hall of Fan Member
Posts: 1092
Joined: Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:04 pm

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by 5thhorseman » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:25 pm

We're already "stuck" with our top 6. The time to trade was after the Cup run, a quick retooling ... that window has long passed.

Look forward to a pretender contender for the next few years. We'll need Bo and Hunter to turn into elite players, some astute drafting/trades by GMMG, and a few lucky breaks before we end up on top of the pile again.

Don't get me wrong, I love our Canucks, but any Cup run in the near future will be cinderella-style. Strangely, I prefer it that way.

User avatar
Strangelove
Moderator & MVP
Moderator & MVP
Posts: 17606
Joined: Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:13 pm
Location: Lake Vostok

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Strangelove » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:38 pm

Why all the negativity???

Let's compare the one-game-away-from-the-Cup 2010-11 team with next year's squad (as it looks thus far).

Shall we?

***********************************************************************

Sedin – Sedin – Burrows
Raymond – Kesler – Samuelsson
Higgins – Malhotra – Hansen
Torres – Lapierre – Tambellini/Glass

Hamhuis – Bieksa
Edler – Ehrhoff
Ballard – Salo
Alberts – Rome

Luongo/Schneids

***********************************************************************

Sedin – Sedin – Burrows
Booth – Kesler – Kassian
Higgins – Schroeder/Gaunce/Richardson – Hansen
Schroeder/Gaunce/Richardson – Lain - Weise
Sestito

Hamhuis – Bieksa
Edler – Tanev
Garrison - Corrado
Alberts(say) – Weber

Luongo/Lack

***********************************************************************

So all we need is

... that #1 line to prove the shortened season was the problem (hey they DID start very slowly)

... Kassian to play like Samuelsson

... Gaunce to play like Malhotra

... Garrison to play like Salo

... Corrado to play like Ehrhoff

... Lou to return to form

... and Lack to play like Schneider

...




:look:




HEY why do... I... have to play the role of Mr Positive all the time?!! Image
____
GO CANUCKS GO!!!

TDA Rum
CC 1st Team All-Star
Posts: 594
Joined: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:14 pm

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by TDA Rum » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:40 pm

I agree with you Doc... Canucks will win their division and the Stanley cup...

User avatar
ukcanuck
CC Legend
Posts: 3495
Joined: Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:04 am

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by ukcanuck » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:48 pm

TDA Rum wrote:I agree with you Doc... Canucks will win their division and the Stanley cup...
You're dam tootin there skippy

User avatar
Topper
CC Legend
Posts: 9882
Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2004 8:11 pm
Location: Earth, most days.

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Topper » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:00 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Rumsfeld wrote: If you trade Bieksa and especially Edler, you'd need a top-4 D coming back.
Not if you thought Tanev could handle top-4 minutes
Ok, I stopped reading right there.

Fell from my chair laughing.

I'm better now.
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.

I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.

User avatar
Reefer2
MVP
MVP
Posts: 3971
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:47 am

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Reefer2 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:32 am

Death
taxes
Nucks not winning the cup.

all 3 things are guaranteed in life.

the 3rd item for a few more years at least.

This team will of course make the playoffs but no change to the core and we expect a different result than the last 2 seasons. I don't think so.

Only significant trades and no one is expendable could change the fortune on this team.

User avatar
the Dogsalmon
CC 1st Team All-Star
Posts: 665
Joined: Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:12 am
Location: in the ainus

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by the Dogsalmon » Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:11 am

5thhorseman wrote:We're already "stuck" with our top 6. The time to trade was after the Cup run, a quick retooling ... that window has long passed.

Look forward to a pretender contender for the next few years. We'll need Bo and Hunter to turn into elite players, some astute drafting/trades by GMMG, and a few lucky breaks before we end up on top of the pile again.

Don't get me wrong, I love our Canucks, but any Cup run in the near future will be cinderella-style. Strangely, I prefer it that way.

cant argue with this type of common sense...

User avatar
Meds
CC Legend
Posts: 5941
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:50 pm

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Meds » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:25 pm

Strangelove wrote:
So all we need is

... Kassian to play like Samuelsson


... and Lack to play like Schneider

:look:
WTF?

We want the guy that is supposed to be our second coming of Bertuzzi (minus Moore) to play like a soft Swedish 20 goal sniper?

And who cares about Lack playing like Schneider. Cory only saw 40 minutes of ice time in the playoffs in 2011. Lou just has to play like Lou (minus games 3, 4, and 6).

User avatar
Per
CC Legend
Posts: 3665
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:45 am

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Per » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:04 pm

Reefer2 wrote: This team will of course make the playoffs but no change to the core and we expect a different result than the last 2 seasons. I don't think so.
Kesler being healthy would be significant change.
Whatever you do, always give 100 %!
Except when donating blood.

User avatar
rats19
Moderator & MVP
Moderator & MVP
Posts: 8413
Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:21 am
Location: over here.....

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by rats19 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:23 pm

Per wrote:
Reefer2 wrote: This team will of course make the playoffs but no change to the core and we expect a different result than the last 2 seasons. I don't think so.
Kesler being healthy would be significant change.
the team being healthy would be a significant change
You are who you hang with.....

Locked