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Hockey Widow wrote:
Everything you say is true. But what's the point of still harping on it? ..
I think you mistaken my discussing as harping HW. You stated a few things and I put forth rebuttals. Nothing more.

And I am neither angry nor bitter about it at this point of time.

I actually blame mondi on this one.

Fucking mondi, stop stirring shit up.

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I'll say it again, Doc called it, we would have been 100% better off buying out Lu than the lame-ass trade MG ended up making. Instead we are left to buy out a useful but overpriced weirdo winger who only had ONE season left.
Point of order. The lame-ass trade MG was forced to make because of Tort's complete lack of human skills.

MG has culpability no doubt but it was Torts that forced the issue.
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Hockey Widow wrote: Benning needs to do what is in the best interest moving forward. This latest upset seems to have been brought up by Markstrom being placed on waivers. What would you suggest? He not waive Markstrom just so we can say we still have something to show for the Luongo trade? Or he should not have wasted cap on Miller so he could let Markstrom develop?

See those are different issues. If you want to debate the Miller signing versus keeping Markstrom fine, do that. But it has nothing to do with the Luongo trade.
Pretty much, ya. Some of us saw Lack as a guy who is ready to be a starter *now* and Markstrom as a guy who needed work but had significant potential. Since we were retooling/rebuilding there was no rush to blow $18M on a goalie. This isn't 2011 as Torts once said. Judging Lack's ability based on his coach overusing (ie abusing) him for almost 20 straight games while he was injured was a mistake. The guy is the real deal and will not reach his potential as a backup for 3 more seasons. He needs to start and now we have a 65 game starter in front of him. That $6M could have gone into a top 6 forward or top 4 D. Just saying, there would be room to play. Now we may lose an asset needlessly.
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Mondi wrote:Sorry. I actually see both sides on this one.

Just a little disappointed we won't be celebrating like its 2011 anytime soon..
Then celebrate what you can mondi.....celebrate what you can
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mathonwy wrote:
ClamRussel wrote:
I'll say it again, Doc called it, we would have been 100% better off buying out Lu than the lame-ass trade MG ended up making. Instead we are left to buy out a useful but overpriced weirdo winger who only had ONE season left.
Point of order. The lame-ass trade MG was forced to make because of Tort's complete lack of human skills.

MG has culpability no doubt but it was Torts that forced the issue.
No, Gillis had thrown in the towel at that point. Lu's agent made that trade. MG could have told Lu to suck it up but he caved. Torts fucked things up there no doubt. The circus was definitely in town by that point.
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rats19 wrote:
Mondi wrote:Sorry. I actually see both sides on this one.

Just a little disappointed we won't be celebrating like its 2011 anytime soon..
Then celebrate what you can mondi.....celebrate what you can
WOO...

Let's get wasted and go kick down some tents in Oppenheimer park! :drink:
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Mondi wrote:Sometimes Matthias looks like an awkward pylon.

He's 26 right? We know what we're getting out of him. 10 goals 15 assists. He's basically Brad Richarson with some size.

Which actually isn't too bad, except when you consider who he was traded for.

Sure people can preach "get over it", but really the thought of flipping a border-line hall-of-famer for a waiver wire pickup and a fourth liner is quite s something.
So... now... you don't like the trade. :roll:

Here's what you said about it in the Luongo to Panthers for Markstrom and Mattias thread 6 months ago:

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Mondi [color=#FF0000]Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:23 pm[/color] wrote: Decent deal in terms of return
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Mondi [color=#FF0000]Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:48 pm[/color] wrote:I have to say, I don't give a flying you know what about whether or not it was not playing in the ridiculous "Heritage" "Classic" that was the straw the broke the camels back for Louie.

The guy had been outplayed by his backups for a number of years and got exploded in a number of crucial playoff games going back 5 seasons.
Interesting. :hmmm:
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mathonwy wrote:
ClamRussel wrote:
I'll say it again, Doc called it, we would have been 100% better off buying out Lu than the lame-ass trade MG ended up making. Instead we are left to buy out a useful but overpriced weirdo winger who only had ONE season left.
Point of order. The lame-ass trade MG was forced to make because of Tort's complete lack of human skills.

MG has culpability no doubt but it was Torts that forced the issue.
UMMMMMMM.

The Great Strangelove was promoting a Luongo buyout while Mr Tortorella was still with the Rangers.

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Strangelove wrote:
mathonwy wrote:
ClamRussel wrote:
I'll say it again, Doc called it, we would have been 100% better off buying out Lu than the lame-ass trade MG ended up making. Instead we are left to buy out a useful but overpriced weirdo winger who only had ONE season left.
Point of order. The lame-ass trade MG was forced to make because of Tort's complete lack of human skills.

MG has culpability no doubt but it was Torts that forced the issue.
UMMMMMMM.

The Great Strangelove was promoting a Luongo buyout while Mr Tortorella was still with the Rangers.

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Yeah Doc was right, buying out Luongo would have been the move. All the deal did was give us too many unwanted bodies.
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Mondi wrote:You seem to be doing that thing again where you don't like it when people change their minds when circumstances change.
Don't worry Mondi, it's not like you wanted Sestito on the PP and Kassian was only mistake prone because he wasn't playing with the twins.

Again, GMMG's biggest failing was his loyalty to the players.

When Roberto's person issues first appeared, he should have been jettisoned instead of waiting patiently through the changing dynamics of the new CBA for a hockey deal to a small pool of teams. the situation only festered.

Something I like so far of what I see from GMJB. He is not afraid to cut bait even if it may piss some off.

As an aside, has any player held management hostage the way Roberto did? Or has management ever allowed itself to be held hostage the way Luongo held them? He was made captain to cater to his ego and convince him to sign long term. He was coddled for nearly two years through his trade request. I still give Roberto credit for the way he handled the situation and I also thank Tortorella for finally calling his bluff at the Heritage Classic.
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Topper wrote:
Mondi wrote:You seem to be doing that thing again where you don't like it when people change their minds when circumstances change.
Don't worry Mondi, it's not like you declared Kassian was only a fourth liner.
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ClamRussel wrote:
Topper wrote:
Mondi wrote:You seem to be doing that thing again where you don't like it when people change their minds when circumstances change.
Don't worry Mondi, it's not like you declared Kassian was only a fourth liner.
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Topper wrote:
ClamRussel wrote:
Topper wrote:
Mondi wrote:You seem to be doing that thing again where you don't like it when people change their minds when circumstances change.
Don't worry Mondi, it's not like you declared Kassian was only a fourth liner.
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Mondi wrote: Thanks for the History lesson Strange.

You seem to be doing that thing again where you don't like it when people change their minds when circumstances change.

1. Luongo was past his best-before date at the time of the trade (as I noted above);
2. I was never a big Luongo guy post-2009;
3. The return for Luongo looked decent at the time of the trade;
4. Turns out both Matthias and Markstrom are spare-part type players; and
5. Now we are punting one for absolutely nothing.

So, what started as a decent and with some potential, is now Shawn Matthias for the active (regular season) wins leader. Unless of course JM clears waivers and eventually unseats one or all of Lack, Miller, Erickson (and Demko) on the depth chart.
Yeahno, it's not "changing your mind".

It's "talking out of both sides of your mouth".

And you just did it again. :roll:

BTW you failed to see the possibility of Markstrom being yet traded.

See, now that he's cleared waivers, the acquiring team can place him directly on their farm team.

Or, imagine this, Markstrom is lights-out in Utica and a desperate team loses their backup to injury.

Or hey, Markstrom is lights-out in Utica and is very trade-able next summer.
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