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Hockey Widow wrote:
rats19 wrote:Leaving BC for BC...

Leaving BC for NY.
BC>NY>BC......happy?
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Move all my good shit there then... :wink:
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rats19 wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:
rats19 wrote:Leaving BC for BC...

Leaving BC for NY.
BC>NY>BC......happy?

Always!! :mrgreen:
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rats19 wrote:
Move all my good shit there then... :wink:
Just did. ;)
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Cornuck wrote:
rats19 wrote:
Move all my good shit there then... :wink:
Just did. ;)
The simple act of doing so.....acknowledges I actually had some good shit......maybe I should check first :P

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rats19 wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:
rats19 wrote:Leaving BC for BC...

Leaving BC for NY.
BC>NY>BC......happy?
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Hockey Widow wrote:Ryan Biech
14m14 minutes ago
Ryan Biech ‏@ryanbiech
Can confirm that Thatcher Demko has now officially signed his entry level deal with the #Canucks


Biech confirming the signing but nothing official from Canucks or NHL. Just a matter of time now.

Interesting discussion starting on a few sites now. Should the Canucks trade Markstrom while his value is high, go with Miller/Cannata until Demko is ready?

If you want the rebuild to keep progressing with us missing the playoffs again why not? But is Markstrom's value really that high.

If I'm Benning, which we all know I'm not, I'm looking to extend Markstrom ASAP, 4-5 year deal. But the trade talk will heat up.

The Canucks 2014 NHL draft, Thatcher Demko, Jake Virtanen, Jared McCann and Nikita Tryamkin. Not too shabby for one draft year.
Little too soon to be doing cartwheels about the 2014 draft considering the three players Elmer shoehorned into the roster wouldn't have gotten a sniff with a top 20 team.That said it is looking a little bit promising. Emphasize little however.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:Ryan Biech
14m14 minutes ago
Ryan Biech ‏@ryanbiech
Can confirm that Thatcher Demko has now officially signed his entry level deal with the #Canucks


Biech confirming the signing but nothing official from Canucks or NHL. Just a matter of time now.

Interesting discussion starting on a few sites now. Should the Canucks trade Markstrom while his value is high, go with Miller/Cannata until Demko is ready?

If you want the rebuild to keep progressing with us missing the playoffs again why not? But is Markstrom's value really that high.

If I'm Benning, which we all know I'm not, I'm looking to extend Markstrom ASAP, 4-5 year deal. But the trade talk will heat up.

The Canucks 2014 NHL draft, Thatcher Demko, Jake Virtanen, Jared McCann and Nikita Tryamkin. Not too shabby for one draft year.
Little too soon to be doing cartwheels about the 2014 draft considering the three players Elmer shoehorned into the roster wouldn't have gotten a sniff with a top 20 team.That said it is looking a little bit promising. Emphasize little however.
Agreed Blob. It's just been so long since there has been a draft to have excitement over.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:Ryan Biech
14m14 minutes ago
Ryan Biech ‏@ryanbiech
Can confirm that Thatcher Demko has now officially signed his entry level deal with the #Canucks


Biech confirming the signing but nothing official from Canucks or NHL. Just a matter of time now.

Interesting discussion starting on a few sites now. Should the Canucks trade Markstrom while his value is high, go with Miller/Cannata until Demko is ready?

If you want the rebuild to keep progressing with us missing the playoffs again why not? But is Markstrom's value really that high.

If I'm Benning, which we all know I'm not, I'm looking to extend Markstrom ASAP, 4-5 year deal. But the trade talk will heat up.

The Canucks 2014 NHL draft, Thatcher Demko, Jake Virtanen, Jared McCann and Nikita Tryamkin. Not too shabby for one draft year.
Little too soon to be doing cartwheels about the 2014 draft considering the three players Elmer shoehorned into the roster wouldn't have gotten a sniff with a top 20 team.That said it is looking a little bit promising. Emphasize little however.
A little negative, Blobby? When was the last time we had a draft that even had 3 of the players -ever- play an NHL game??? And, Demko is as close to a sure thing as you can get. 2014 was our strongest draft year since the Sedins.
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Tciso wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:Ryan Biech
14m14 minutes ago
Ryan Biech ‏@ryanbiech
Can confirm that Thatcher Demko has now officially signed his entry level deal with the #Canucks


Biech confirming the signing but nothing official from Canucks or NHL. Just a matter of time now.

Interesting discussion starting on a few sites now. Should the Canucks trade Markstrom while his value is high, go with Miller/Cannata until Demko is ready?

If you want the rebuild to keep progressing with us missing the playoffs again why not? But is Markstrom's value really that high.

If I'm Benning, which we all know I'm not, I'm looking to extend Markstrom ASAP, 4-5 year deal. But the trade talk will heat up.

The Canucks 2014 NHL draft, Thatcher Demko, Jake Virtanen, Jared McCann and Nikita Tryamkin. Not too shabby for one draft year.
Little too soon to be doing cartwheels about the 2014 draft considering the three players Elmer shoehorned into the roster wouldn't have gotten a sniff with a top 20 team.That said it is looking a little bit promising. Emphasize little however.
A little negative, Blobby? When was the last time we had a draft that even had 3 of the players -ever- play an NHL game??? And, Demko is as close to a sure thing as you can get. 2014 was our strongest draft year since the Sedins.
2004 was another strong draft year for the Canucks with Schneider (26th), Edler (91st), Brown (159th) and Hansen (287th). Two of the them are still with the Canucks. Schneider was traded for 9th overall pick which was used to select Horvat. Sadly, it might be one of the best drafts in the Canucks history. :(
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Tciso wrote:A little negative, Blobby? When was the last time we had a draft that even had 3 of the players -ever- play an NHL game???
2011 - but considering the players we're talking about are Jensen, Grenier, and Corrado it's not saying much. You have to go back to 2005 after that...
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Strangelove wrote: But what if the Panthers were to buy out Lou's contract in 2018:

http://www.generalfanager.com/buyouts/9 ... &year=2018

Look at the big reach-the-floor cap-hits they'd get at only $583,333 real dollars (times 8 years)

Might be the best option for them at that point in time, given a declining Lou.

(if Lou retires in 2018, Cats would get a Cap Recapture "penalty" of $1,235,254, times 4 seasons).
I posted this in the Round One thread.

To spell it out, what I'm theorizing in the post above is:

There would be no Cap Recapture penalties on Luongo's contract if the Panthers bought out the contract.

We know that "Compliance Buyouts" wiped out Recap penalties... wouldn't regular buyouts do the same?

Perhaps not, but it makes perfect sense to me.

I've been looking around and I can't find a definite answer.

If anyone has a link that definitively shows this wouldn't work, please, help a guy out.

Yes, I've looked at the Mike Richards case, yes LA is paying Recap, but circumstances were entirely different.
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But if the buy Lou out aren't we on for 20%? Still would be a lot easier to take $100,000+ over 8 years I guess. It actually would make the Panthers salary and cap smaller too.
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Hey Doc, Article 50-50.5 in the CBA deals with this and gives examples. Example one shows what the buy out would be plus the savings the club recievd in the difference between salary and average cap. Interestingly, if the cap was higher than the salary, say the salary increases years 3-5 of the contract, then it shows the new cap after the buy out is likewise reduce to reflect that.

So the short answer is yes, if bought out then the CRP applies. I just can't figure it out for multiple years and varying amounts. They give simplistic examples. But the answer appears to be yes there will be capture recapture hell short of LTIR or death. Seriously, death voids the contract!!

So if Luongo for any reason other than those two fails to play out his contract we will be hit hard. The CBA deals with cap overage by saying the league has 30 days upon realizing there is overage to notify the team. The team has 30 days to take corrective measures but I'm unclear what the penalties are for failure to correct. It talks about this in terms of voiding a new contract or a trade that creates the overage but doesn't specifically deal with this situation. For sure they would reject any new contracts or trades until it was corrected.

When Calgary was perilously close to not being able to ice the minimum number of players the rules called for a default of the game. I'm not sure if that would happen here. Default all games until compliance? Loss of draft picks? Heavy fines? All of the above?

The one saving grace is that if a player retires mid season, defined as after the completion of the team's first game, any cap penalty or CRP is deferred until the start of the next season. If the retirement happens to be his last contract year then there is no penalty.
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