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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Groovypippin » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:32 am

Hockey Widow wrote:
Ok I'm done.
Great summation. I have no problem with anyone who argues against the Benning plan, but anyone who argues there is no plan is uninformed and not paying attention.

I have faith and confidence in Benning. I see what kind of team he is trying to build. I like that he understands the NHL - and particularly the West - requires a mix of skill and sandpaper. I like that he is trying build a real "team" of high quality, high character individuals. It's going to be tough going for a couple of seasons from a wins/losses perspective, but I like the groundwork being laid.

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Meds » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:53 am

Groovypippin wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:
Ok I'm done.
Great summation. I have no problem with anyone who argues against the Benning plan, but anyone who argues there is no plan is uninformed and not paying attention.
The only one that was odd was the Kassian trade.....up until you hear his rationale after the fact. Then you see a bit of the why, and where the move fits in his plan, and it's not terrible. I think Bergevin would have made that trade straight up but he probably had an inkling that Benning had a hard-on for Prust and so he squeezed and a 5th popped out of Jimbo's pocket.

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by RoyalDude » Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:19 pm

All I know is looking forward to seeing some of the promising prospects push for spots next year with Prust and Dorsett saying don't fuck with the kids. Think the Nucks will have a decent year but the work ethic will make it fun to watch along with the new kids but I am quietly hoping for a Tank it for Matthews, Puliarvi or Chychrun

They compare Matthews to Messier/Marleau, Puliarvi to Selanne/Nash and they say Chychrun is better than Ekblad




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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by dangler » Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:51 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: Had he been successful in trading for Lucic I would have been very confused because to me that does not fit the long term plan. And I know if LA does not resign him then we will be big suitors next July. I think part of Benning's plan now is to free the cap to be in a position to target him and if available Seabrook. But that's a year away.

Ok I'm done.
Agreed,Benning has done a great job for the most part. We'll have to see in a couple of years how his draft picks pan out,but he get's problems dealt with in a timely manner and i really liked the way he didn't sugarcoat the playoff loss.
Wasn't a big fan of the Miller signing but shortly into the season it became apparent it was a necessity.
Really hope he forgets about Lucic,don't want to see him wearing a Canuck jersey.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Hockey Widow » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:05 pm

So Linden last night said that they offered Chris Higgins to everyone and no one was willing to take him because of his contract. First, why would Linden say this? Poor Higgins having to come back knowing no one wants you. Second, I think he becomes more moveable with another year burnt off his contract or at the latest TDD 2017 when he is on an expiring contract. But the return will be putrid.

Glad to learn though that they are done sniffing the glue and are looking to move him out. We just have to wait. I guess if it gets bad enough we can waive him.
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Post by Island Nucklehead » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:23 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:So Linden last night said that they offered Chris Higgins to everyone and no one was willing to take him because of his contract. First, why would Linden say this? Poor Higgins having to come back knowing no one wants you. Second, I think he becomes more moveable with another year burnt off his contract or at the latest TDD 2017 when he is on an expiring contract. But the return will be putrid.
If Higgins' contract is considered brutal around the league, what does that make Dorsett's?

I get the feeling opposing GM's are feeling they can take the Canucks for a ride.

Forget capologists and trainers, this team needs a new PR manager, or three.

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Post by Aaronp18 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:34 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote: If Higgins' contract is considered brutal around the league, what does that make Dorsett's?
Well Dorsett is 4 years younger and there isn't a NTC.

Higgins contract will look better in a year when there's not much left and salaries continue to climb.

My guess is teams would send us one of their contracts they don't like if they take back Higgins, whereas it's pretty obvious we want picks or young prospects.

Maybe Veenyo would like him in the lineup next year of for the playoffs.

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Meds » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:34 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:So Linden last night said that they offered Chris Higgins to everyone and no one was willing to take him because of his contract. First, why would Linden say this? Poor Higgins having to come back knowing no one wants you. Second, I think he becomes more moveable with another year burnt off his contract or at the latest TDD 2017 when he is on an expiring contract. But the return will be putrid.

Glad to learn though that they are done sniffing the glue and are looking to move him out. We just have to wait. I guess if it gets bad enough we can waive him.
If 2 rookies make the team this season Higgins will either be traded for a low pick with the Canucks retaining 40% of his salary. He only has 2 years left and the team would have to eat $1M for 2 seasons to move him somewhere else, but it would be worth it.

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Aaronp18 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:37 pm

Meds wrote: If 2 rookies make the team this season Higgins will either be traded for a low pick with the Canucks retaining 40% of his salary. He only has 2 years left and the team would have to eat $1M for 2 seasons to move him somewhere else, but it would be worth it.
There's no reason we can't wait, injuries on other teams will happen and someone will be looking for depth that's in the playoff hunt. Right now every team has to calculate their cap and roster based on a full lineup.

Big Trev is just letting it be known that if/when a veteran presence is necessary to pick up the phone and give them a buzz! I kind of like all their candor.

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Lancer » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:51 pm

People should just conduct a hate campaign on Higgins then. Placards on the glass for TV-covered games saying "No one wants you, Higgins, not even us!". Boo him every time he touches the puck. Thow garbage at him and his family outside of the rink. Maybe he'll retire or something...

...or people can just accept him as the kidney stone that he is for the organization, take the pain and wait for him to pass. Or Benning could put him on waivers and bury him in Utica. FWIW, that may be the better option than taking salary back. At least you can call up his worthless hide if injuries mount and none of the younger prospects seem up to the challenge.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Hockey Widow » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:51 pm

One of the common refrains from most fans last year was that we had too many bottom six, similar type players. Well Richardson is gone, Matthias is gone, Kassian is gone, MacMillan is gone, Sestito is long gone. Now we hear Higgins will be gone when the timing is right. Benning really was pissed off with the playoff showing given that he is willing to jettison these guys. Willing to turn it over to Virtanen, Kenins, Grenier, Gaunce with a dose of Dorsett and Prust to keep everyone honest. I like it. But I no longer live in delusions that our players have much value beyond the Rockies. Just churn over the roster Jim, just keep churning.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Hockey Widow » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:55 pm

Lancer wrote:People should just conduct a hate campaign on Higgins then. Placards on the glass for TV-covered games saying "No one wants you, Higgins, not even us!". Boo him every time he touches the puck. Thow garbage at him and his family outside of the rink. Maybe he'll retire or something...

...or people can just accept him as the kidney stone that he is for the organization, take the pain and wait for him to pass. Or Benning could put him on waivers and bury him in Utica. FWIW, that may be the better option than taking salary back. At least you can call up his worthless hide if injuries mount and none of the younger prospects seem up to the challenge.

Higgins isn't worthless on this team by any stretch. He still has value, just not as a top six. I don't mind if they can't trade him for another year or so. I'm not sold on Virtanen being ready for the NHL, Utica yes but that ain't an option. I'll be glad when Higgins is gone mainly because it means a kid is ready. Besides, if we are making a play for Lucic next year we will need his 2.5 million cap space :mrgreen:
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Aaronp18 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:02 pm

RoyalDude wrote:They compare Matthews to Messier/Marleau, Puliarvi to Selanne/Nash and they say Chychrun is better than Ekblad
If we get into the lottery we have a chance at each of the top 3, there's no guarantee by finishing last you even get one of the top 3 picks!

This could be why Benning is shooting for 2016 picks. Stockpile and hopefully move up once the lottery has been decided. Having a potential legit #1 dman in Chychrun has to be very tempting. Something we've never had!

The next season I will simply enjoy watching some of the kids earn spots and embrace the change.

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Cornuck » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:05 pm

Aaronp18 wrote:Having a potential legit #1 dman in Chychrun has to be very tempting. Something we've never had!
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Aaronp18 wrote:The next season I will simply enjoy watching some of the kids earn spots and embrace the change.
It will be nice change to have lowered expectations for a change and just relax and watch the rebuild.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Post by Groovypippin » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:16 pm

Why all this worry about the salaries of Miller/Higgins/Sbisa/Prust/Dorsett etc? The Vancouver Canucks do not have a cap problem. We are likely to miss the playoffs and even if we squeak in, the team will not be loading salary to try and go on a run. We have lot's of contract dollars coming off the cap next summer and - given the strong likelihood that we miss the playoffs in an improved Western Conference - Benning will likely be an active seller at the deadline with a group of veterans happy to waive to a playoff bound team.

Folks need to got over their multiple personality disorders and recognize that a re-tooling(building) team will naturally create cap space as it sheds veterans and introduces younger players into the line-up.

I, however, am firmly against rushing unready players into the NHL strictly to please fans who want a shiny new object to fixate on. I love the current organizational approach that demands young players kick, fight and scratch for every inch they earn. You have to earn your way on to the team in Utica. You have to earn your ice time and line-up position in Utica. Then you have to earn a place on the Canuck's roster. Then you have to earn your way up from the fourth line.

This approach leads to better pros. And sure there will be talented exceptions to this approach (at least I hope so!), but it's a solid philosophy that helps prevent us ruining young talent.

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