Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by ESQ » Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:42 pm

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Ehrhoff -- great acquisition (Patrick White!) and good decision to not re-sign. Best two seasons were in Vancouver, and he has millions because of them.....
I've always felt that he was one of those guys who is far more valuable to a specific franchise than to any other, kinda like how Jovo, Ohlund, Linden, Salo, and so many others went off a cliff when they left Vancouver.

At the time he left, I personally took 40-point defensemen for granted, because it seemed like the Canucks always had one or 2 crack 40 points every year. Since we lost the Hoff, Edler's had the only 40+ point season from a Canucks dman.

He undoubtedly left us in his prime, and immediately ran into injury issues and a god-awful fantasy league-contructed franchise in Buffalo.

A big part of me wishes they'd given him his $5 mil/year and skipped the Garrison experiment.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Hockey Widow » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:12 pm

Chara extended, one more year:

"The Bruins announced Wednesday they have signed Chara to a one-year, $5-million extension that carries up to $1.75 million in bonuses."
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by vic » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:10 pm

The Hoff had first unit PP time with two of the best players in the NHL during his tenure here. Anson Carter 2.0

He was never going to get those numbers playing without the twins.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by ESQ » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:17 am

vic wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:10 pm
The Hoff had first unit PP time with two of the best players in the NHL during his tenure here. Anson Carter 2.0

He was never going to get those numbers playing without the twins.
True enough, and the twins were the top offensive players in the league those years so it was a bit of a 2-way street.

I think he was worth $5 mil to the Canucks at the time (which was the rumoured asking price), especially over Garrison at $4.6 mil.

Not quite as disastrous as Burke not having the coin to sign Niedermayer after he left the Devils, but still stings a bit.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by vic » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:46 pm

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Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:17 am
vic wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:10 pm
The Hoff had first unit PP time with two of the best players in the NHL during his tenure here. Anson Carter 2.0

He was never going to get those numbers playing without the twins.
True enough, and the twins were the top offensive players in the league those years so it was a bit of a 2-way street.

I think he was worth $5 mil to the Canucks at the time (which was the rumoured asking price), especially over Garrison at $4.6 mil.

Not quite as disastrous as Burke not having the coin to sign Niedermayer after he left the Devils, but still stings a bit.
That's fair too. I wonder if it was the price or term? Buffalo gave him 10 freaking years. At 5, that would have meant 8 years, he'd still be on the payroll today.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:27 pm

ESQ wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:17 am
vic wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:10 pm
The Hoff had first unit PP time with two of the best players in the NHL during his tenure here. Anson Carter 2.0

He was never going to get those numbers playing without the twins.
True enough, and the twins were the top offensive players in the league those years so it was a bit of a 2-way street.

I think he was worth $5 mil to the Canucks at the time (which was the rumoured asking price), especially over Garrison at $4.6 mil.

Not quite as disastrous as Burke not having the coin to sign Niedermayer after he left the Devils, but still stings a bit.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Meds » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:54 am

ESQ wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:17 am
vic wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:10 pm
The Hoff had first unit PP time with two of the best players in the NHL during his tenure here. Anson Carter 2.0

He was never going to get those numbers playing without the twins.
True enough, and the twins were the top offensive players in the league those years so it was a bit of a 2-way street.

I think he was worth $5 mil to the Canucks at the time (which was the rumoured asking price), especially over Garrison at $4.6 mil.

Not quite as disastrous as Burke not having the coin to sign Niedermayer after he left the Devils, but still stings a bit.
Iirc Niedermayer was considering Vancouver but the final decision was made based on his family wanting to see him and Rob play together before their careers were over.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by ESQ » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:50 am

vic wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:46 pm
That's fair too. I wonder if it was the price or term? Buffalo gave him 10 freaking years. At 5, that would have meant 8 years, he'd still be on the payroll today.
Ya that term was totally insane. But even though the total dollars was $40 mil, I think its pretty clear Hoff never meant to finish that contract so Hoff knew he wasn't going to get that full $40 mil (unless he was planning to get bought out, in which case good for him for fleecing Pegula for the next decade!). Had he played until this season, he would have left $6 mil in salary behind.

Its all academic, but I recall hearing the rumour Hoff's number during the season was $5 mil, and Gillis wouldn't go past $4.5 mil.
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Iirc Niedermayer was considering Vancouver but the final decision was made based on his family wanting to see him and Rob play together before their careers were over.
What I recall was the rumour was Niedermayer had a list of 2 teams, Canucks (hometown team, shaping up to be contenders) and Ducks (just off Cinderalla run to the SCF, bro is scrubbing away on the team).

The rumour I remember from the time was we had a chance to sign him, but Naslund was getting his big pay-day, and sadly immediately went into his steep decline post-lockout/Moore incident.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Lancer » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:26 pm

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Karlsson looks like he's played his last game this season - perhaps ever as a Sen?

The party line is that they're giving him time to spend with his wife after the loss of their kid. I get it, but he's played games since then and it's not like their season is on the line.

More fuel for the tank job the final rest of the way, mitigating against the risk of injury before they trade him in the offseason or a genuinely classy move after their captain went through a traumatic family issue? Evident tension between Karlsson and management and an extension on his contract is in doubt, but look what they did with Anderson after his wife was diagnosed with cancer?

I have a feeling Ottawa will be active before and at the draft. Imagine if Karlsson became an Oiler? Edmonton has the parts to make an offer worth considering and could use someone like him.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by BladesofSteel » Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:43 pm

So does Vancouver.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by Island Nucklehead » Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:50 pm

BladesofSteel wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:43 pm
So does Vancouver.
Why would Karlsson re-sign here?

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by BladesofSteel » Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:54 pm

To play with Dahlin and Elias.

Duh!! :mex:

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by vic » Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:14 am

BladesofSteel wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:54 pm
To play with Dahlin and Elias.

Duh!! :mex:
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by ESQ » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:01 am

Island Nucklehead wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:50 pm
BladesofSteel wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:43 pm
So does Vancouver.
Why would Karlsson re-sign here?
Swedes love Vancouver, and now Karlsson will probably give us a Viking Clap discount.

Might as well exploit the Swede-love, since Russians seem to hate it here.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Post by ESQ » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:09 am

Lancer wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:26 pm
I have a feeling Ottawa will be active before and at the draft. Imagine if Karlsson became an Oiler? Edmonton has the parts to make an offer worth considering and could use someone like him.
I don't know that they do. They have a lotto pick, mid-level prospect Puljujarvi, and Nurse still on his ELC playing 22 min/game.

Other than that, they don't have any players that I'd consider "bargains" on good contracts.

Now, if they'd packaged Eberle and Hall for Karlsson, that might have gotten it down. But no way does Strome and Larsson return Karlsson.
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:43 pm
So does Vancouver.
Our top assets are Bo, Boeser, Petersson, and the lottery pick. I don't see us getting Karlsson without moving one of those top assets.

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