Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

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herb wrote:I win.
How does one exactly "win" on a canucks messageboard?

Moving forward, just make sure you distinguish the difference in what a player actually "makes" i.e. take home pay, and what their AAV is in relation to their peers.

You can, duh, ask Mr. Spezza about the 3M discrepancy this upcoming season. :mex:
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Betamax wrote:
Strangelove wrote:^^^ FFS those numbers are well known.

(as are the Games Played numbers at age 28)

UMMMM we'll let you know if&when Panic Attack ever achieves "elite-ness".... MMMMkay? :evil:
duh, Mr. Raak had only played 13 more games during that four year timespan and is only 1 years younger. Furthermore, less games played up to that point means that their are less miles on the odometer, so he will be fresh, well into his 30s ....... like, duh, a Tim Thomas who managed to show he was elite and Vezina winning in his 30s while playing very few games in his 20s. :mex:
LOL if you insist on labling Panic Attack "elite" that's your choice I suppose.

Maybe we can all agree on this: Cory Schneider is the Pierre McGuire of goaltending. :mrgreen:
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Aaron, deleted your post because you quoted something I had previously deleted.

Nice to see you were in agreement with me, poster has been spoken to, it's all good.

I'm sure we'll all get along famously from this point forward. :wink:
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Strangelove wrote:Aaron, deleted your post because you quoted something I had previously deleted.

Nice to see you were in agreement with me, poster has been spoken to, it's all good.

I'm sure we'll all get along famously from this point forward.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

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Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger · 12s
$1mil for 1 yr. Heatley signs with Ducks


:shock:

Probably a PP specialist at this point?

#shorthandedgoalsbaby
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People can piss the Schneider returning to Vancouver fantasies away...and the rumours they weren't happy with him etc. The shame for them is, without him they'd be in the McDavid sweepstakes.
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Strangelove wrote:Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger · 12s
$1mil for 1 yr. Heatley signs with Ducks


:shock:

Probably a PP specialist at this point?

#shorthandedgoalsbaby
Low risk, potentially high-reward pick-up. If Heatley sucks, which is a distinctly possible outcome, they waive him and eat just 100K while he goes to the minors. Hardly a major risk if he can rebound from a horrific year and a half in Minny.
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herb wrote:
Aaronp18 wrote:Well no, he's right.

He spoke of "per year" and "hit" in his post referencing AAV essentially. Which realistically when it comes to the year to year business of hockey is what really matters because it affects the teams ability to add players to their roster.

I could care less what Aqualung spends per year on a player what matters is their cap hit.

My speculation is that their peak years will be right around the $12M (though they could make up to $13.8M if the 20% rule still exists) that Crosby takes home lowering to $6M at the end of their contract following the new CBA rules. But again what affects the competitiveness of a team is the actual cap hit not the dollars paid in a given year, for teams willing to spend to the cap anyways.

Kane and Toews may tie up approx 30% of the cap next year (depending on how much the cap goes up). That is a lot and will hinder the Blackhawks ability to add salary and the talent that goes along with it.

Crosby definitely took a healthy cap hit contract in order to allow the Penguins to spend more on other players. He also has that thing with the #87 so well there's that.

But over the length of their contracts Kane and Toews will average about $2M more per year than Crosby's current contract and he is bang on about averaging $1M per year more than Malkin.
Over the length of their contracts, Toews and Kane are going to be paid more than their counterparts around the league.

Perhaps my previous post was worded sloppily, but the only thing that matters from a fan's perspective in a cap world is a player's cap hit and how cap space is allocated amongst the players on the team.

Nobody talks about cash out the door...talking heads and fans alike all talk about cap hit or AAV. Who cares about salary?

Anyway, over the terms of the Toews and Kane contracts (2015-16 to 2022-23) Crosby is going to get paid, in salary, $74.4M. Toews and Kane are going to be compensated, in salary, $84M.

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Blob Mckenzie wrote:
herb wrote:
Aaronp18 wrote:Well no, he's right.

He spoke of "per year" and "hit" in his post referencing AAV essentially. Which realistically when it comes to the year to year business of hockey is what really matters because it affects the teams ability to add players to their roster.

I could care less what Aqualung spends per year on a player what matters is their cap hit.

My speculation is that their peak years will be right around the $12M (though they could make up to $13.8M if the 20% rule still exists) that Crosby takes home lowering to $6M at the end of their contract following the new CBA rules. But again what affects the competitiveness of a team is the actual cap hit not the dollars paid in a given year, for teams willing to spend to the cap anyways.

Kane and Toews may tie up approx 30% of the cap next year (depending on how much the cap goes up). That is a lot and will hinder the Blackhawks ability to add salary and the talent that goes along with it.

Crosby definitely took a healthy cap hit contract in order to allow the Penguins to spend more on other players. He also has that thing with the #87 so well there's that.

But over the length of their contracts Kane and Toews will average about $2M more per year than Crosby's current contract and he is bang on about averaging $1M per year more than Malkin.
Over the length of their contracts, Toews and Kane are going to be paid more than their counterparts around the league.

Perhaps my previous post was worded sloppily, but the only thing that matters from a fan's perspective in a cap world is a player's cap hit and how cap space is allocated amongst the players on the team.

Nobody talks about cash out the door...talking heads and fans alike all talk about cap hit or AAV. Who cares about salary?

Anyway, over the terms of the Toews and Kane contracts (2015-16 to 2022-23) Crosby is going to get paid, in salary, $74.4M. Toews and Kane are going to be compensated, in salary, $84M.

I win.
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No Blob, it's exactly like that.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote:
herb wrote:
Aaronp18 wrote:Well no, he's right.

He spoke of "per year" and "hit" in his post referencing AAV essentially. Which realistically when it comes to the year to year business of hockey is what really matters because it affects the teams ability to add players to their roster.

I could care less what Aqualung spends per year on a player what matters is their cap hit.

My speculation is that their peak years will be right around the $12M (though they could make up to $13.8M if the 20% rule still exists) that Crosby takes home lowering to $6M at the end of their contract following the new CBA rules. But again what affects the competitiveness of a team is the actual cap hit not the dollars paid in a given year, for teams willing to spend to the cap anyways.

Kane and Toews may tie up approx 30% of the cap next year (depending on how much the cap goes up). That is a lot and will hinder the Blackhawks ability to add salary and the talent that goes along with it.

Crosby definitely took a healthy cap hit contract in order to allow the Penguins to spend more on other players. He also has that thing with the #87 so well there's that.

But over the length of their contracts Kane and Toews will average about $2M more per year than Crosby's current contract and he is bang on about averaging $1M per year more than Malkin.
Over the length of their contracts, Toews and Kane are going to be paid more than their counterparts around the league.

Perhaps my previous post was worded sloppily, but the only thing that matters from a fan's perspective in a cap world is a player's cap hit and how cap space is allocated amongst the players on the team.

Nobody talks about cash out the door...talking heads and fans alike all talk about cap hit or AAV. Who cares about salary?

Anyway, over the terms of the Toews and Kane contracts (2015-16 to 2022-23) Crosby is going to get paid, in salary, $74.4M. Toews and Kane are going to be compensated, in salary, $84M.

I win.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote:Kind of like beating a Special Olympian
Oh, that's sooooo original Blob .... guess you learned that while being a Captain's Crew alumnus, right? :hmmm:

BTW, the "cool thing" the kids do these days are selfies with Special Olympians ....

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Great time at the Special Olympic opening ceremonies! Good luck to all the athletes! #TeamQuebecSelfie

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Betamax wrote:Moving forward, just make sure you distinguish the difference in what a player actually "makes" i.e. take home pay, and what their AAV is in relation to their peers.
Betamax wrote:In the whole scheme of things, it's minutia on the main point of the argument
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BurningBeard wrote:
Betamax wrote:Moving forward, just make sure you distinguish the difference in what a player actually "makes" i.e. take home pay, and what their AAV is in relation to their peers.
Betamax wrote:In the whole scheme of things, it's minutia on the main point of the argument
:mex:
duh, could you please show some respect to a (Proud) member of the CC Hall of Fan and not juxtapose two separate quotes responding to two different topics and take them out of their context?

BTW, I think it's safe to say Jason Spezza doesn't think its "minutia" that his 4M in take home pay this upcoming season doesn't match the 7M in AAV that is counted on the Stars' books. :mex:
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I could give two shits what a player takes home, that's the owners problem. All that should matter to fans is the cap hit, that has a direct impact on what kind of team can be put together, trades etc.
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