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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby BigTuna » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:47 pm

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BigTuna wrote:Decent? Then why was it second best in the entire NHL?


You haven't been listening.

Goaltending. :mex:


Oh I've been listening it's just an opinion that is wrong. You believe Reimer had some out-of-nowhere fluke season, when in fact he had the same season as a rookie two years ago. Two of his first 3 NHL seasons have sen him post over .920 save% He's a very good young goalie.

And Bernier had great numbers himself last season and is an improvement over Scrivens.

Last season:
James Reimer 33 76 2.46 995 .924 4
Jonathan Bernier 14 24 1.88 306 .922 1

And their both only 25 years-old. The Leafs are set for years in net with two of the better young goalies in the NHL.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby BigTuna » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:48 pm

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Hockey Widow wrote:Interesting that they didn't use the compliance buyout on JML and the regular buy out on Komisarek. Would have given them a few more bucks and Komisarek had only one year left.

I do think Bernier gives them the "potential" to have very solid goaltending but so much will depend upon them being a better team defensively overall.

If last season was a full 82 game schedule I still don't think they would have made the playoffs though. They will miss Garbo's production.


Grabo was very bad last season. They made the playoffs without his help. This is wishful-thinking on your part.



Why would you even say that since you don't know me? Do you assume that everyone here hates the Leafs or wish for them to fail? Why is it that when someone offers constructive criticism or an honest assessment or opinion you automatically go on the attack? Fine, tell me you don't agree with my opinion but don't analyze why I came to that conclusion by being so dismissive. Awful lot like RD.....hmmmm.

It wouldn't be so bad if you knew the facts but your revisionist history is very telling.


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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby BigTuna » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:50 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:Leafs won't be making the playoffs in 13-14. Last season was a fluke. Reimer played over his head and then came back to earth in the playoffs. Team is thin at centre, hanging their hat on Bernier who has no pedigree at this level and they gave David Clarkson a 40 point guy at best the worst contract in the NHL. Don't change Nonis! You fat chunk of shit.


Not even close. Horton got more money in Columbus and he's barely going to play this season.

And Reimer played over his head...his numbers were the same as his rookie season. Lol. The Leafs are an up-and-coming powerhouse in the East.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:27 pm

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The Leafs are an up-and-coming powerhouse in the East.


No they aren't.

Thin at centre, unproven goaltending and some boat anchor contracts. A bubble playoff team if everything breaks right and a few other teams are decimated by injuries. Their prospect pool is also pretty fucking mediocre for where they have drafted recently. That said when you give away two high picks for a soft, one balled player with yellow teeth ....... :lol: :lol: that could be why other than Morgan Reilley, Jake Gardiner and the busbomber there isn't a hell of a lot there as far as good kids are concerned.

How bad will that trade look (and it looks shitty right now) when Kessel bails in the summer to a better team ? Knowing Nonis he'll throw a Crosby type contract at Kessel out of desperation.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby BigTuna » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:44 pm

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The Leafs are an up-and-coming powerhouse in the East.


No they aren't.

Thin at centre, unproven goaltending and some boat anchor contracts. A bubble playoff team if everything breaks right and a few other teams are decimated by injuries. Their prospect pool is also pretty fucking mediocre for where they have drafted recently. That said when you give away two high picks for a soft, one balled player with yellow teeth ....... :lol: :lol: that could be why other than Morgan Reilley, Jake Gardiner and the busbomber there isn't a hell of a lot there as far as good kids are concerned.

How bad will that trade look (and it looks shitty right now) when Kessel bails in the summer to a better team ? Knowing Nonis he'll throw a Crosby type contract at Kessel out of desperation.


LOL@ unproven goaltending. They already had very good proven goaltending last season.

And in what world does the Kessel trade look shitty? 4 years after the trade he's by far the best player in the trade. Seguin was so bad and such a cancer he was already traded by Boston and given up on.

Keep with the fantasy Kessel is leaving. It's not happening. The most money is in Toronto to sign. He won't turn it down.

And the Leafs are a good young team now, why do they need more than Gardiner, Kadri and Rielly (and they do have much more, those are only the names you know).

Last season was the start of the Leafs being a contender in the East. They'll only get better.

And what bad contracts do they have? Clarkson? Hardly a worry. The cap is going up and they're rich and can spend to it.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:46 pm

BigTuna wrote:Oh I've been listening it's just an opinion that is wrong. You believe Reimer had some out-of-nowhere fluke season, when in fact he had the same season as a rookie two years ago. Two of his first 3 NHL seasons have sen him post over .920 save% He's a very good young goalie.


Apparently the Leaf brain trust doesn't share your enthusiasm in regards to Reimer.

Deadline overtures to Kipper and Lou.

Off-season over-payment for unproven Bernier.

The Leafs will suck this year... and you'll disappear.

We've seen this act before. :mrgreen:
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:47 pm

BigTuna wrote:The Leafs are an up-and-coming powerhouse in the East.


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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby BigTuna » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:48 pm

Strangelove wrote:
BigTuna wrote:Oh I've been listening it's just an opinion that is wrong. You believe Reimer had some out-of-nowhere fluke season, when in fact he had the same season as a rookie two years ago. Two of his first 3 NHL seasons have sen him post over .920 save% He's a very good young goalie.


Apparently the Leaf brain trust doesn't share your enthusiasm in regards to Reimer.

Deadline overtures to Kipper and Lou.

Off-season over-payment for [b]unproven Bernier.[/b]

The Leafs will suck this year... and you'll disappear.

We've seen this act before. :mrgreen:



Funny, prior to the trade everyone said Bernier would fetch much more in a trade.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby BigTuna » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:50 pm

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BigTuna wrote:The Leafs are an up-and-coming powerhouse in the East.


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Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, Gardiner. Reimer, Bernier, JVR, Kadri says you're wrong.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:50 pm

BigTuna wrote:what bad contracts do they have?


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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:52 pm

BigTuna wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
BigTuna wrote:The Leafs are an up-and-coming powerhouse in the East.


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Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, Gardiner. Reimer, Bernier, JVR, Kadri says you're wrong.


Like I keep saying, lack of depth (due to overpaying certain players) will be their downfall. Image
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:53 pm

BigTuna wrote:Funny, prior to the trade everyone said Bernier would fetch much more in a trade.


Tarbender, I'll have what he's having! :drink:
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby BigTuna » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:53 pm

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Like I keep saying, lack of depth (due to overpaying certain players) will be their downfall. Image


I see no lack of depth. I see the best depth @ wing in the entire NHL.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Meds » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:54 pm

BigTuna wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
BigTuna wrote:Decent? Then why was it second best in the entire NHL?


You haven't been listening.

Goaltending. :mex:


Oh I've been listening it's just an opinion that is wrong. You believe Reimer had some out-of-nowhere fluke season, when in fact he had the same season as a rookie two years ago. Two of his first 3 NHL seasons have sen him post over .920 save% He's a very good young goalie.

And Bernier had great numbers himself last season and is an improvement over Scrivens.

Last season:
James Reimer 33 76 2.46 995 .924 4
Jonathan Bernier 14 24 1.88 306 .922 1

And their both only 25 years-old. The Leafs are set for years in net with two of the better young goalies in the NHL.


Reimer hasn't even played a full season yet. 37 games is the most he's seen at the NHL level. He's unproven.

Toronto's success or failure does not rest in the crease. It hinges on their weak blueline and paltry talent at center.

Bozak
Kadri
Bolland
McClement
Smith
Van Riemsdyk

They are banking heavily on Bozak taking the next step the way Kesler did around the same age. But Bozak hasn't had the luxury of being surrounded by the same level if skill and experience that Kes had.

Kadri remains unsigned and they are going to have to move someone or let Franson go to keep Kadri.

Bolland is apparently going to be asked to play a top 2 center role now. Nonis is counting on a guy who has benefited from playing with some of the most talented forwards in the league, as a third line shutdown center, to be able to step up and be a key piece of the offensive strategy and move into a scoring role. Good luck with that.

McClement is a serviceable fourth liner at best.

Trevor Smith is a 28 year old with 24 games of NHL experience.

Hmmmm.....definitely a powerhouse in the making down the middle. Let's look at the blueline now.

Phaneuf
Liles
Ranger
Fraser
Gunnarsson
Gardiner
Marshall
Brennan
Franson

Phaneuf is an overpaid top 3 dman. He's like a more physically dynamic version of Edler but even more inconsistent mentally. The Leafs think he's their best choice for captain and anchor on the back end.

Lilies is washed up and small.

Ranger is a reclamation project.

Fraser is a physical stay home guy who is reliable in the #6 spot.

Gunnarsson, welli don't know much about him, but his stats aren't exactly spectacular. I'm guessing his a bottom pairing guy, a number 4 at best.

Gardiner is still young and a bright spot on that team, but he's not going to carry the blueline.

Marshall, ummm who now? Who cares, 10 games under his belt.

Brennan, never heard of him.

Franson is unsigned and should be a priority for Nonis, he should be in their top 3, but now they have to figure out who to move, or make the decision between him and Kadri.

Nonis has totally screwed things up this off-season. He should have locked up both of his young RFAs before blowing his wad on Bozak, Bolland, and Clarkson.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:56 pm

BigTuna wrote:
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Like I keep saying, lack of depth (due to overpaying certain players) will be their downfall. Image


I see no lack of depth. I see the best depth @ wing in the entire NHL.


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